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36 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

As usual, when you don't like the message you just abuse the messenger without ever realising it just makes you look a complete idiot.

If you don't like the conclusions of the research paper by the Dutch and UK scientists take it up with them. I'm sure once you've explained your objections and put them straight they'll be happy to amend their conclusions, or just tell you to FO because you're a complete idiot.

I know which outcome I'd put my money on.

MSM are running for the exits with the Washington Post yesterday joining Facebook in retracting their claim the lab leak theory was baseless.

Once Fauci himself through in the towel the flag went up that real evidence of a Wuhan lab leak was on it's way and so it proved.

 

You don't need to insult. Think about your reputation in this forum. You have a fan base to maintain.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01383-3

As usual when someone sends a reliable source that buries 50 or 60 of your posts you are quick to reply with 3 o 4 more. Just hoping no one would read a proper source and would keep paying attention to your Twitter screenshots. 

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We all have been reading Caseynotes attempts of misinformation for months. Many of the posts that have been part of this forum show a clear political orientation, mainly directed to undermine the Chin

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21 minutes ago, jlz said:

You don't need to insult. Think about your reputation in this forum. You have a fan base to maintain.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01383-3

As usual when someone sends a reliable source that buries 50 or 60 of your posts you are quick to reply with 3 o 4 more. Just hoping no one would read a proper source and would keep paying attention to your Twitter screenshots. 

The peer reviewed research paper the Daily Mail article refers to is not an allegation, it's presenting evidence following an investigation into the molecular makeup of the virus by 2 well qualified scientists that concludes the virus is man made and shows sign of reverse engineering attempting to disguise the fact that it was man made.

So your uninformed opinion is not needed, you don't even try to counter the evidence but instead just try to deflect attention away from it, yeah well I'll take the research paper over your opinion any day.

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2 hours ago, Caseynotes said:

The peer reviewed research paper the Daily Mail article refers to is not an allegation, it's presenting evidence following an investigation into the molecular makeup of the virus by 2 well qualified scientists that concludes the virus is man made and shows sign of reverse engineering attempting to disguise the fact that it was man made.

So your uninformed opinion is not needed, you don't even try to counter the evidence but instead just try to deflect attention away from it, yeah well I'll take the research paper over your opinion any day.

I don't think that I have an uninformed opinion. 

Let me copy again the same link as well as a few more supporting documents.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01383-3

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z

I know you prefer to make up your own sentences as well as copy screenshots from right wing Twitter accounts. We are used to that, but I prefer to read from scientists journals like nature.com. They link to the original documents (linked in this post) and they don't make any political comments on it.

They help me to get an informed opinion based on official documents and I just want to share them so it is clear what is going on.

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1 minute ago, jlz said:

I don't think that I have an uninformed opinion. 

Let me copy again the same link as well as a few more supporting documents.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01383-3

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z

I know you prefer to make up your own sentences as well as copy screenshots from right wing Twitter accounts. We are used to that, but I prefer to read from scientists journals like nature.com. They link to the original documents (linked in this post) and they don't make any political comments on it.

They help me to get an informed opinion based on official documents and I just want to share them so it is clear what is going on.

You have missed the point entirely but you tend to do that deliberately in order to deflect and detract from the actual evidence that you don't like the look of.

The peer reviewed study about to be published contains actual evidence. Unless you are a PhD with evidence that refutes that contained within the study you are wasting your time and ignoring the real 'science'.

Your out of date Nature op eds are not relevant and can't contradict actual research data discovered by the scientists working on the actual virus.

By the way the WHO report was laughed at as the Chinese openly refused full co-operation at the time. 

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1 minute ago, Caseynotes said:

You have missed the point entirely but you tend to do that deliberately in order to deflect and detract from the actual evidence that you don't like the look of.

The peer reviewed study about to be published contains actual evidence. Unless you are a PhD with evidence that refutes that contained within the study you are wasting your time and ignoring the real 'science'.

Your out of date Nature op eds are not relevant and can't contradict actual research data discovered by the scientists working on the actual virus.

By the way the WHO report was laughed at as the Chinese openly refused full co-operation at the time. 

I understand that you are not reading anything I add and you prefer to base your comments on your political opinion.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Just posting it again so other users can read it if they want.

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Just now, jlz said:

I understand that you are not reading anything I add and you prefer to base your comments on your political opinion.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Just posting it again so other users can read it if they want.

My posts are not political but science lead, you routinely accuse others of that which you are most guilty of yourself.

The WHO report is old and recognised as a farce when it was published.

You clearly don't have any actual evidence to contradict what is reported in the study so, as usual, you're just wasting time and ignoring everything you don't like the sound of.

You lost this argument months ago but just not honest enough to admit it so round and round you go with the deflection and distraction because that's really all you've got.

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More utter nonsense from the WHO.

Never let a good crisis go to waste. Marketing  always recommends re-branding to refresh interest and boost sales when a product has been in the market for some time.

There are already over 350,000 covid virus variants. I think I'll just stick with Wuflu and Vindaflu thanks all the same.

 

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Meanwhile waiting list for NHS treatment tops 5 million.

30 million fewer GP appointments since the start of the pandemic.

And "Cancer patients who didn't seek treatment during lockdown are overwhelming A&E."

Cancer patients who didn't seek treatment during lockdown are overwhelming A&E (telegraph.co.uk)

 

So far there are 3 main contenders for being the 'cause' of next autumns lockdowns.

1/ Zero covid nutters who pretend acute respiratory viruses can be eliminated despite there being an abundant reservoir in the animal world. Would need to wipe out every bat, pig, bird in existence.

2/ NHS managers are already calling for winter lockdowns to protect the NHS from being over-run because of denial of service caused by previous lockdowns.

3/ Climate change zealots who celebrate the 6% reduction in CO2 emissions by putting the entire population under house arrest.

 

You didn't really think it was ever going to end did you? 

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'A complete collapse in covid cases in most Indian states. Interesting that the most populous state, Uttar Pradesh (200m), has had some of the best results, while Tamil Nadu some of the worst. Uttar Pradesh govt praises Ivermectin for great results. Tamil Nadu denies citizens use'

Teddy Petrou @TedPetrou

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We all have been reading Caseynotes attempts of misinformation for months. Many of the posts that have been part of this forum show a clear political orientation, mainly directed to undermine the Chinese government in this pandemic. 

It is clear how many attempts are coming from the United States and its propaganda in order to take political advantage of a global crisis. Caseynotes being an American is part of that propaganda. 

If we look at current conflicts around the world, the United States are running out of wars. We all know how hard they try to start conflicts outside their lands with the usual aim to maintain their weak currency. 

Currently they are working really hard to start two conflicts, one over the Sahara region in Morocco against Spain, with a consequent trigger into the European Union, and the second being directed to Taiwan as another attempt to undermine the Chinese position in the world. 

The best way to not to shallow this propaganda is to be informed. And for that purpose we need to challenge any attempt of misinformation.

This link provides a set of guides an resources to check facts.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/research-and-data/media-literacy-research/coronavirus-resources

Feel free to use it with any of the claims that Caseynotes has been spreading over months.

Let's remember some of the claims that have been said/done in this forum:

- Label the virus as Wuflu in the thread title. Thankfully administrators changed the name to something less insulting.

- Bill gates started this pandemic with a clear attempt to inject nanorobots in our bodies through a vaccine so he can control us.

- Constant Twitter screenshots an memes to enforce a right wing political orientation, most of them used as 'source' of information.

- Never ending attacks to the Chinese government and its position in the pandemic.

- Fauci is the ****. He is responsible for everything. Up to a point that he was working for a secret Chinese lab in order to produce the virus. 

- Made up charts and tables with fake information. Many users have challenged that data multiple times.

- Constant insults to anyone that tries to challenge a post. Just watch closely and you will see the narrative. It repeats over and over again. 

Previous 'Wuflu and the economy' thread was so full of nonsense that the administrators had to remove it taking away many of the claims. 

Caseynotes will repeat them again. One way or another it always leads to the same direction.

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Really you're just trolling this thread again now, you've never made any real contribution other than trying to distract from the scientific research papers I point to that you can't rebuke or find any evidence against but can't accept as they go against your deep prejudice.

Your total dishonesty has been pointed out many times, you really can't face facts that don't fit your political bigotry but can't dispute them so just lie instead.

You really should start a new thread, call it say, 'Out of date stuff I like the sound of in spite of being disproven because the whole narrative has swung against my own bigotry and I just can't face it'.

No one else will read it obviously but at least it will keep you happy. 

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44 minutes ago, jlz said:

Let's remember some of the claims that have been said/done in this forum:

haha, actually your list is complete lies ffs.

the whole forum is a big arena, you give me too much credit to be responsible for all of it.

Your derangment syndrome insisting that the US is to blame for all the world ills have nothing to do with this thread.

I can call any thing I want, if the admin want to change a title that's their prerogative but I haven't noticed any actual content has been censored or removed at all

The rest of your list is laughable made up nonsense.

You really have lost it haven't you now that your heroes the Chinese govt are the number 1 suspects in making and releasing the virus. 

oh dear, you should get some rest before you have a breakdown 🤣

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The 7 biggest Covid lies to achieve total CCP style conformity.

1/ Chinese footage of people dropping dead in the street was pure CCP propaganda and not seen in any other country. No one died who had not been very ill for at least a week.

2/ Models that predicted death rates that gave equal weighting to all ages in spite of the empirical evidence that showed the young were not affected and covid was primarily a disease of the over 80s. Hence the models were out by at least a factor of 10.

3/ No treatments for early stage sickness, never before had Drs just told people to stay home and wait to be sick enough to be admitted to hospital. Criminal. 

HCQ was known to be an anti-viral and many countries stockpiled it for just such a pandemic but then a fake research paper turned up in the Lancet (later withdrawn) saying HCQ was not affective followed by a massive campaign to stop it's use. After the vaccine rollout HCQ was given approval. Criminal. The vaccines would never have gotten the emergency use order without the use of HCQ being stopped. Criminal.

4/ The misuse of the PCR test gave between 55% and 97% false positives. Of the 120,000 deaths listed as having covid in the UK over half never had covid at all. After the vaccine rollout the CDC and WHO conceded that the PCR cycle threshold was set too high and should be lowered to reduce the number of false positives. Criminal.

5/ Asymptomatic spread was a driver during the pandemic, total lies. Covid was found to be the same as every other acute respiratory viral disease, asymptomatic spread was not a driver. The lie was to encourage people to fear everyone no matter how healthy they might appear. Criminal.

6/ SARS-CoV-2 was borne on droplets and not as aerosol, total lies, this virus was the same as all others of that type and is transmitted both in droplets and as aerosol. This meant that 2m social distancing was pointless, masks were pointless and perspex screens were pointless. A virus as aerosol just floats though or around them. SD, masks and perspex screen were for mind control not virus control. Criminal.

7/ The vaccines are 100% effective, how do you measure that when the average persons own immune system is 99% effective against covid. Hence the actual data for the amount of added protection from vaccines ranges from 0.8% to 1.3%, so nothing really. 

 

The mass lies have been co-ordinated and on a global scale and hopefully soon an investigation will determine who or what is behind it all.

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oh, concerns about why the studies showed that the vaccine particles accumulate in the ovaries? Doesn't that provide a risk to the ovaries if the immune system targets them? Who knows 🤷‍♀️

 

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Meanwhile data from the US on vaccine adverse reactions.

Reported Deaths caused by vaccines year by year.

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25 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Meanwhile data from the US on vaccine adverse reactions.

Reported Deaths caused by vaccines year by year.

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY

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Of the 145 million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020 through March 29, 2021, “VAERS received 2,509 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.” Having reviewed “available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records,” the CDC found “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths”

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY

 

as people tend to be unable to report their own deaths to VAERS it is left to the medical staff who were attending the patient at the time of death to decide whether to report the death as being related to the vaccine or not, but of course, just as covid on a death certificate is not proof the person actually died of covid, so must be the case with the vaccine deaths.

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5 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

as people tend to be unable to report their own deaths to VAERS it is left to the medical staff who were attending the patient at the time of death to decide whether to report the death as being related to the vaccine or not, but of course, just as covid on a death certificate is not proof the person actually died of covid, so must be the case with the vaccine deaths.

 

22 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY

 

ps. as VAERS is a govt organisation that comes under the CDC if you have a complaint about their work you should take it up with them. 

I'm sure once you have detailed your expertise on the subject they will happily amend their operational procedures for you 🤣

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1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

ps. as VAERS is a govt organisation that comes under the CDC if you have a complaint about their work you should take it up with them. 

I'm sure once you have detailed your expertise on the subject they will happily amend their operational procedures for you

I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out how the numbers in the chart you posted are collected.

The chart you posted, at first glance, gives the impression that the Covid vaccines are very dangerous. The danger here is that your post influences somebody from delaying/not getting the vaccine.

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2 hours ago, Provaton said:

I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out how the numbers in the chart you posted are collected.

The chart you posted, at first glance, gives the impression that the Covid vaccines are very dangerous. The danger here is that your post influences somebody from delaying/not getting the vaccine.

yes, that was the point, compared to normal vaccines that have completed full trials before being given to the general population the experimental covid 'vaccines', that haven't completed trials yet, look to be not as safe as other vaccines.

Clinicians who are witnessing the deaths and subsequently filling out the VAERS reports do not do so lightly or without reason.

 

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Looking further down the list it is not just the ovaries and testis where lipid nanoparticles from the mRNA injections disproportionately accumulate but also the liver, spleen, adrenal glands and bone marrow.

This information from the vaccine trials was only published after a FOIA from the Japanese regulator.

The question is what happens when the auto immune system is activated when the person comes into contact with the real virus. 

The auto-immune system will search for and destroy cells containing the virus, that's what causes the sore throat and inflammation of the common cold. But what will happen when it finds traces of the virus (vaccine) in the ovaries, liver etc.

That's what makes these trials so exciting - nobody knows 🤷‍♀️

The last animal trials for an mRNA vaccine were discontinued after ALL the animals died. They died from an out of control auto-immune response.

But of course these new vaccines were allowed to skip the full animal testing stage so now the general population are it.

I'm certainly glad I choose to be in the control group for this experiment.

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Slightly longer version where Carlson, after the Fauci Wuhan 'gain of function' lies (in above vid) goes on to highlight deliberate Fauci misinformation on vaccines and masks.

 

 

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Hi, @CharlotteIG could you merge this thread with the renamed Wuflu one, the CCP fanboy trolls are asserting you have censored and deleted posts though I've not noticed any.

I'm pretty much done with this topic now anyway. Everything I said from the beginning has been shown to be correct. 

I started in March 2020 because, as I said at the time, the numbers did not add up. Lockdowns were being introduced based on death rates in Ferguson's models which bore no relevance to the empirical data.

I knew the data coming out of Asian cities and knew this was an annual seasonal winter infection but on a larger scale than normal that occur every 10 years or so. I also knew that every year 10s of thousands of elderly end of lifers die due to seasonal respiratory infections and had done (pop adjusted) every year since mammals evolved but the general public did not know this. That made them susceptible to the scaremongering the govt had started engaging in.

Sweden was correct to ignore the WHO flip from their long standing pandemic plan to the on the spot made up CCP lockdowns which were obviously going to destroy the economy, spread fear and cause mental health problems at a minimum. Shutting down the NHS was even more ridiculous I said at the time and the immeasurable damage done is only now starting to be revealed.

To go from protect the vulnerable and allow the healthy to build herd immunity to lock up the healthy and throw the vulnerable back in their care homes was unbelievable. 

As in the recent Telegraph interview with ex-UK intelligence head (to paraphrase), 'the CCP have so totally corrupted the WHO it is beyond saving at this point'. 

  Many politicians and 'in the pocket' scientists have made a lot of money out of this total farce chief among them are Fauci, Hancock, Valance and Whitty. They should all be in jail.

Half of SAGE who were advising the govt were psychologists intent on pushing project fear to the max and at their head were life-long communist party members yet the idiot Johnson did not bat an eye as he progressively destroyed the country following their advice.

That the virus came from the Wuhan lab is now the only credible conclusion and Fauci knew this all along, there never was any animal population carrying it. But more telling was his insistence that everyone must get vaccinated (with vaccines he held some patents to) even when they already had immunity by already having had covid.

If any of the UK public still haven't woken up to this deliberate con and still believe in lockdowns, masks, social distancing and annual vaccinations then there probably is no hope for them.

Some good has come out of all this. Prophylactic Vitamin D and Ivermectin (or HCQ) should be given to the vulnerable population every autumn and winter as these meds have proved themselves to be very affective in reducing seasonal respiratory infection death rates.

 

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'If you believe the figure of "13,200 deaths averted in individuals aged 60 years or older" then you probably still think Santa is real.

Portugal deaths track the UKs since late Feb but with way less vaccinated. Or do they just presume deaths continue at the same rate year round?'   datatosee.com  @dontbetyet

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