Jump to content

Indices


Recommended Posts

Don't really have a good option right now. Either hold or cut losses.

Holding seems like a better option as Nasdaq should not be dropping that much more (hopefully). Cutting my losses now means losing 10 days of earnings. Doesn't sit well with me.

What would you guys do if trapped like me?

Link to comment
46 minutes ago, HPbrand said:

Don't really have a good option right now. Either hold or cut losses.

Holding seems like a better option as Nasdaq should not be dropping that much more (hopefully). Cutting my losses now means losing 10 days of earnings. Doesn't sit well with me.

What would you guys do if trapped like me?

Very much a Friday profit take and get out just in case whatever over the weekend. If already down and seeing there are good support levels not too far below I would probably be inclined to hang on as the mass exit was planned and those wanting out for the weekend have likely already done so. Might be worth taking out a short for a hedge for over the weekend just in case though.  

image.thumb.png.348b31298aba49a40f4e370afbc066cc.png

  • Like 1
  • Great! 1
Link to comment
3 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Very much a Friday profit take and get out just in case whatever over the weekend. If already down and seeing there are good support levels not too far below I would probably be inclined to hang on as the mass exit was planned and those wanting out for the weekend have likely already done so. Might be worth taking out a short for a hedge for over the weekend just in case though.  

Thanks for your opinion.

Link to comment
12 hours ago, HPbrand said:

Don't really have a good option right now. Either hold or cut losses.

Holding seems like a better option as Nasdaq should not be dropping that much more (hopefully). Cutting my losses now means losing 10 days of earnings. Doesn't sit well with me.

What would you guys do if trapped like me?

Its always hard to cut and face a loss.  It depends on your view and how you trade and how deeply you are convinced of your position.  If you are a black box trader then a long position is probably flashing red lights.  If you are a position trader, who takes a view based on TA and fundamentals....then hold but re-asses your position each morning.  If your conviction to be long, is wavering then take a counter hedge....i.e if you want to stay long equities then buy US bonds....That market is driving the equity market lower.  Or buy volatility .....But you have to realise you are long one of the most over bought markets in the US market place,  so perhaps tight /stops, and hope for a bounce.  

 

Link to comment
13 hours ago, HPbrand said:

Thanks for your opinion.

you're welcome.  @cheviot is quite right in the above post but this question comes up often on a Friday afternoon or Sat morning  when peeps realise they are a bit more exposed than they are comfortable with going into the weekend and are looking for a temporary solution. The better alternative would be if IG offered a short term guaranteed stop but otherwise it's worth taking out a simple hedge, an equal and opposite trade so your overall PnL stays even no matter what so there will be no nasty surprises on Monday morning, no good surprises either but at least you can sleep. If you miss the Friday the alternative (if available) is to keep a close eye on the weekend market and do the same there if necessary. Then on Monday reassess and decide which one to close, or both.

Link to comment
13 hours ago, dmedin said:

I've given up three months' worth of gains and then some.  Learn to love the trading game, it's for losers! :)

I still haven't figured out how you choose direction, still seems to be the art of second guessing plus lots of hope. Try using some tools might help, I did explain the slow and fast wave in sync approach that might help, I remember you weren't impressed but it does work, just need to get your uppsies and downsies in alignment.

image.thumb.png.5c5826200b20550d1fde2f5cd37dab26.pngthat

  • Thought provoking 1
Link to comment
1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

Still another 8 years of bull market to go, yaaay. It must be so coz everyone knows TA is king.

image.thumb.png.33d20013c10c5e548d46729aab21148f.png

Prof. Kondratieff , 1920 s economist studied the world s economy going back to the 18 th C.  He found the economy the go in waves,  and super cycles.  Hence Kondratieff waves.....Fibonacci used a sequence we all know and love 1,1,2,3,5,8,13 etc and the ratios there by refined from them.   

The only thing I d say is that the bull market starts when the bear trend stops, so in essence your time periods need to be re-adjusted.   

2009 was the bottom of the last bear market ( i.e falling prices),  which means we are in year 11 of this bull phase.   Fibonacci would look for year 13 i.e. 2022.  

I would not say TA is King.  If you decide what fundamentals are important , then use TA as a road map.  to enter and exit the market.  

Link to comment
15 hours ago, dmedin said:

I've given up three months' worth of gains and then some.  Learn to love the trading game, it's for losers! :)

Markets are like elastic bands.  They stretch and stretch and stretch and then suddenly they go ping......Usually hurting your opposite finger that is still holding the band.  

The US stock market (as I ve been ranting on for the last 5-6 weeks ) is overbought and over cooked.  Its an elastic band that is snapping.  It ll probably over do the down side as it swings around trying to find its sea legs again.....

  • Great! 1
Link to comment
1 hour ago, cheviot said:

Prof. Kondratieff , 1920 s economist studied the world s economy going back to the 18 th C.  He found the economy the go in waves,  and super cycles.  Hence Kondratieff waves.....Fibonacci used a sequence we all know and love 1,1,2,3,5,8,13 etc and the ratios there by refined from them

He probably picked it up from Richard Wyckoff who started working on Wall street in 1888, wrote the book Studies in Tape Reading in 1900 and started The Magazine of Wall Street in 1907. Of course the Wykcoff Method remains in use to this day and describes the market far better than anything since.

Fibonacci I abandoned years ago as I found it doesn't really belong on charts. 

Everyone can draw their charts just as they like of course and the one I posted looks just fine to me. My line about TA is king was very tongue in cheek as I place more importance in fundamentals than any ABCDEFGHIJKLM pattern anyway.

  • Like 1
  • Thought provoking 1
Link to comment

People ought to be sensible ... balance their stocks and bonds ... periodically review and rebalance ... otherwise they will have (and deserve to have, implicitly) a very unpleasant retirement ... die off cold, hungry and lonely ... apropos of bourgeois financial wisdom :D

Link to comment
7 hours ago, Caseynotes said:

I still haven't figured out how you choose direction, still seems to be the art of second guessing plus lots of hope. Try using some tools might help, I did explain the slow and fast wave in sync approach that might help, I remember you weren't impressed but it does work, just need to get your uppsies and downsies in alignment.

image.thumb.png.5c5826200b20550d1fde2f5cd37dab26.pngthat

 

 

There's a far simpler way one could have benefited from the uptrend in equities that's been in place since late December 2018.  Do you know what it is?  (It would also have allowed you to ride out the downturns and take advantage of the long-term uptrend trend too.)

Link to comment

Thanks for the input guys, very much appreciated. Having thought long and hard after a trip to my local strip joint and the whole of Saturday to be still, I feel I can make a more rational decision.

I will go with the decision I had late last week to short the Dow. Due to greed and more greed, I bet on the probability for the markets to shoot north a bit more before shorting from a higher level to extract a bit more juice. A mistake I should never have made again.

Dow 30000+, Nasdaq 10000+ will happen, but not this season. I am quite confident (trust with a pinch of salt) that Dow ~28800 will be tested and maybe even ~28400 by the end of next week. As I am currently trapped in a long position, I do hope for Nasdaq to rise a little to reduce my loss which I cannot rely on to help me out. I will start to unwind some and increase my Dow short as soon as market opens.

 

  • Great! 1
Link to comment

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • image.png

  • Posts

    • Surprising US PMI drops contrast with Europe’s gains in services, pushing EUR/USD higher as markets recalibrate economic outlooks and monetary policy expectations.   Source: Getty   Forex Euro Pound sterling European Union Inflation EUR/USD Written by: Richard Snow | Analyst, DailyFX, Johannesburg   Publication date: Wednesday 24 April 2024 07:28 Flash PMI data provides unflattering US outlook, Europe improves German and EU manufacturing remains depressed but encouraging rises in flash services PMI results suggest improvement in Europe. UK manufacturing slumped well into contraction, but also benefitted from another rise on the services front. It was the US that provided the most surprising numbers, witnessing a decline in services PMI and a drop into contractionary territory for manufacturing – weighing on the dollar. EUR/USD rises after us PMI shock EUR/USD responded to lackluster flash PMI data in the US by clawing back recent losses. The euro attempts to surpass the 1.0700 level after recovering from oversold territory around the swing low of 1.0600. The pair has maintained the longer-term downtrend reflective of the diverging monetary policy stances adopted by the ECB and the Fed. A strong labour market, robust growth and resurgent inflation has forced the Fed to delay its plans to cut interest rates which has strengthened the dollar against G7 currencies. The surprising US PMI data suggests the economy may not be as strong as initially anticipated and some frailties may be creeping in. However, it will take a lot more than one flash data point to reverse the narrative. If bulls take control from here, 1.07645 becomes the next upside level of interest followed by 1.0800 where the 200 SMA resides. On the downside, 1.06437 and 1.0600 remain support levels of interest if the longer-term trend is to continue. EUR/USD daily chart     Source: TradingView EUR/GBP surrenders recent gains EUR/GBP rose uncharacteristically on Friday when risks of a broader conflict between Israel and Iran subsided. In addition, the Bank of England’s(BoE) Deputy Governor Dave Ramsden stated that he sees inflation falling sharply towards target in the coming months, sending a dovish signal to the market. Today the BoE’s chief Economist Huw Pill tried to walk back such sentiment, stressing that the bank needs to maintain restrictiveness in its policy stance. He did however, echo Ramsden’s remarks by saying the committee is seeing signs of a downward shift in the persistent component of the inflation dynamic. EUR/GBP appears to have found resistance around 0.8625 and has traded lower after the PMI data, even heading lower than the 200 SMA. A return to former channel resistance is potentially on the cards at 0.8578. Prices settled into the trading range as central bankers mulled incoming data and the prospect of a first rate cut appeared a fair distance away. Longer-term, the ECB is on track to cut rates in June, meaning sterling will extend its interest rate superiority and is likely to see the pair test familiar levels of support. EUR/GBP daily chart   Source: TradingView       This information has been prepared by IG, a trading name of IG Australia Pty Ltd. In addition to the disclaimer below, the material on this page does not contain a record of our trading prices, or an offer of, or solicitation for, a transaction in any financial instrument. IG accepts no responsibility for any use that may be made of these comments and for any consequences that result. No representation or warranty is given as to the accuracy or completeness of this information. Consequently any person acting on it does so entirely at their own risk. Any research provided does not have regard to the specific investment objectives, financial situation and needs of any specific person who may receive it. It has not been prepared in accordance with legal requirements designed to promote the independence of investment research and as such is considered to be a marketing communication. Although we are not specifically constrained from dealing ahead of our recommendations we do not seek to take advantage of them before they are provided to our clients.
    • Dear @Dbass, Please note that the minimum transaction size is 0.1 contracts for most pairs: MT4 Forex products and differs from the minimum on commodities: MT4 Commodity products. Kindly have a look at the minimum sizes before attempting a trade. Thanks, KoketsoIG
    • Interpreting the Financial Report of Tesla Financial analyst Mark Stefanski delves into the latest financial data from Tesla. Despite the first-quarter revenue of Tesla declining by 9% year-on-year, marking the largest drop since 2012, Mark Stefanski believes this reflects the pressure on the entire electric vehicle industry in cost control and market expectation adjustments. The disclosed data of Tesla shows its revenue dropped to $21.3 billion, and its gross margin also decreased from 19.3% to 17.4%, indicating increased cost pressures. Investment Strategy and Risk Management For investors, Mark Stefanski suggests that while the short-term performance of Tesla may suffer setbacks, its long-term investment value remains. The stock price of Tesla surged in after-hours trading following the release of the financial report, indicating market optimism about its accelerated plans for more affordable electric vehicles. From the financial report of Tesla, it is evident that vehicle deliveries in 2024 may significantly decrease compared to 2023, and cost reduction measures are currently being actively pursued. This news serves as a warning signal to investors, indicating potential challenges for the future growth of Tesla. Although Tesla is typically seen as a leader in the lithium industry, its stock price has already surged by 42% this year, causing market astonishment and reminding people of the severe challenges of the industry.
×
×
  • Create New...
us