Jump to content

Turkish lira really having a hard time

Recommended Posts

Looking like a really tough time for the Lira. In just one year it has devalued maybe 40% against the USD which is crazy. You'd have some good holidays on the cheap if you're looking for a last minute get away! Seems to be at a point of resistance at the moment but rising volume and higher lows....

 

usdtry.thumb.jpg.061f79863ff0358b3bd83eea84fa9ac9.jpg

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Copied across your line of resistance on this one and seems like it smashed through last night but has since pulled back, possibly to test that support (once resistance) line... 

Looks like retail traders are bidding the dip according to Bloomberg >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-12/turkey-lira-rebounds-from-record-as-retail-traders-buy-into-dips 

More news here: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDTRY:CUR

USD_TRY_20180712_11_54.png.3591d4a453a3efc0ec6a1906df5da10e.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@247trader  you're right, very tough time.  TRY could have a lot further to go over the next few weeks if Erdogan starts putting pressure on the central bank or, worse, curtails it's independence.

He's still fixed on lowering Turkish CB rates, and has appointed his son-in-law as finance minster (make of that what you will).  Has called interest rates  "the mother and father of all evil" & believes (unconventionally) that higher rates lead to higher inflation.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-currency/turkish-lira-hits-record-low-after-erdogan-interest-rate-comments-idUSKBN1K20UQ

From a trading POV, TRY is very popular with both retail and institutional clients as a carry trade, in which you hold a long TRY position overnight to benefit from the positive swap rate. A falling TRY combined with Ergodan's (apparent) desire to cut CB rates might mean the end of a viable carry trade, and cause further downwards pressure should traders decide to liquidate/ switch to another high interest currency. It's difficult to gauge the impact of this as the vast majority of FX is OTC, but certainly a major factor. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-09/emerging-market-carry-trade-makes-comeback-as-dollar-rally-fades

Either way likely to be extremely volatile for a good few months, one to watch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Always enjoy reading these post decision. 

With most economists forecasting a hike, Aberdeen Standard Investments says the lira could tumble some 25 percent to an all-time low of 6 per dollar if officials surprise markets by not acting. - seems slightly too extreme.

IMO Turkish central bank would look to take action before this point (5 per dollar is a big psychological barrier) but as always the Erdogan wild card remains in play, if he ties their hands who knows.

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, elle said:

& the trend continues

my channels and fib. Now we're out the channel i'd be confident holding to the 52800 mark... however would reduce a little now and then average out going towards that level. We only need a bit of macro news for this to reverse.

USD_TRY_20180802_08_35.thumb.png.3c5a7da74d6090d202a023d302f6f168.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

TRY keeps on plummeting, you'd think central bank intervention is likely at some point (possibly 13th September, next MP meeting).

Turkish CPI inflation now predicted (some might say optimistically) by the CB to be 13.4% in 2018.

 

Capture.JPG

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Ludwik Chodzko-Zajko IG, that next monetary policy rate decision on the 13th September seems a long way away and that chart doesn't look like stopping any time soon. 50,000 is long gone and though the committee wont like the embarrassment of getting it wrong just 2 weeks ago they may well have to step in earlier on this one.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

@Ludwik Chodzko-Zajko IG, that next monetary policy rate decision on the 13th September seems a long way away and that chart doesn't look like stopping any time soon. 50,000 is long gone and though the committee wont like the embarrassment of getting it wrong just 2 weeks ago they may well have to step in earlier on this one.

Fair point, but difficult to know for certain with Erdogan breathing down their necks. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Historic FT headlines on the TRY for perspective.

Sep. 5, 2013 Turkey opts for stable interest rates as lira hits record low
Jan. 16, 2014 Turkish lira hits new record low vs dollar
Dec. 14, 2014 Turkish lira hits all-time low as Erdogan takes EU to task
Apr. 15, 2015 Turkish lira hits record dollar low
Apr. 24, 2015 Turkish lira sinks to record low
June 8, 2015 Turkish lira hits low after election
July 15, 2016 Turkish lira in steepest fall since 2008
July 20, 2016 Turkish lira falls to new record low on S&P downgrade
Oct. 10, 2016 Turkish lira tumbles towards record low
Oct. 13, 2016 Turkish lira sinks to fresh all-time low
Oct. 17, 2016 Turkish lira hits record low (again)
Oct. 28, 2016 Turkish lira at another record low
Nov. 7, 2016 Turkish lira hits lowest level since at least 1981
Nov. 8, 2016 Turkish lira rout deepens to hit fresh all-time low
Dec. 1, 2016 Turkish lira slumps back towards record low after Opec deal
Jan. 3, 2017 Turkish lira falls to record low as higher inflation spurs selling
Jan. 5, 2017 Turkish lira suffers fresh blow amid ratings junking fears
Jan. 11, 2017 Lira suffers 4% plunge – steepest since failed coup
Nov. 21, 2017 Turkey’s central bank takes action as lira hits record low
Apr. 6, 2018 Turkish lira hits record low as political risks cast pall
Apr. 9, 2018 Turkish lira hits new low as Erdogan chases high growth
Apr. 10, 2018 Turkish lira strikes another record low on growing outflow fears
May 3, 2018 Turkish lira sinks to new record low as inflation rises
May 14, 2018 Lira hits low after Erdogan stamps authority on monetary policy
May 15, 2018 Turkish lira touches yet another low as Moody’s warns on bank risk
May 21, 2018 Turkish lira extends declines with heavy drop to new record
May 22, 2018 Lira swings to new record low in abrupt move
May 24, 2018 Turkish lira resumes slide despite rate hike
June 15, 2018 Turkish lira slides almost 6% in worst week in a decade
July 11, 2018 Turkish lira hits record low against the dollar
Aug. 1, 2018 Turkey’s lira weakens to fresh record low against dollar
Aug. 3, 2018 Turkish lira hits fresh historic low
Aug. 6, 2018 Turkish lira plumbs new low after central bank’s policy tweak

(which I shamelessly stole from here: https://qz.com/1350332/the-relentless-decline-of-the-turkish-lira-as-told-through-exasperated-financial-times-headlines/)

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ha yes, 2018 a clear winner with 14 points followed by 2016 with 9 while 2017 comes in third.

But if there's one thing Erdogan does well it's soaking up pressure;

 erdo1.thumb.PNG.a1d335ad63c5463867c780e93a7b897c.PNG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2018-08-10 08_00_42-IG Trading Platform _ Spread Betting.png

Don't forget that you can use the IG trading platform 'NEWS' section to get full articles and snippets direct from Reuters and other news sources. Navigate to the left hand side of the new trading platform, click on news, and then sub categorise by asset type. 

I personally have this always open within my dealing platform (however I do have a multi screen display and this may no be practical for others - especially if you are on a laptop). If it isn't you could also use the twitter feed on the right hand side (again always open for me) or just have the news section in a tab. 

Directions below

  1. News tab in fly out
  2. Categories
  3. Specific article above

2018-08-10 08_01_14-IG Trading Platform _ Spread Betting.png

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That’s a massive movement! Reports that this could spill out to the wider eurozone is pushing the equity markets down at the moment. Euro certainly pulling back and weakest level in a year or so. 

Trukish president to talk today I believe for the first time since the recent sell off. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, PandaFace said:

That’s a massive movement! Reports that this could spill out to the wider eurozone is pushing the equity markets down at the moment. Euro certainly pulling back and weakest level in a year or so. 

Trukish president to talk today I believe for the first time since the recent sell off. 

Meant to be 12:00 BST (14:00 Ankara). 

As an FYI, we've gone much wider on minimum non-gs stop distances (to prevent you opening and being closed immediately by spread).  Mkt spreads were exceptionally wide this morning, I expect the same throughout any speeches/ press releases.

Underlying TRY tom-next mid has also rallied 15.67% to just under 30 pts. This will likely mean it's very expensive to hold Lira shorts overnight, so please consider this going forward. You can see a (slightly delayed) indication in your watch-list. 

 

trytn.PNG

sg2018081034617.gif

Edited by Ludwik Chodzko-Zajko IG
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From Gellos Capital a few minutes ago on the exposure of EU banks.

Macro @fxmacro

all kicked off last night as two sources from the ECB concerned about European banks' exposure to Turkey.

Highly probable Turkish borrowers may not be fx hedged and could default on currency loans...$80bio Spanish and $40bio french banks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

On the back of Erdogan defiance Trump puts the boot in by raising tariffs on Turkey, usdtry going into orbit.

try1.thumb.PNG.54afaba91735955451f0267024ef2ed5.PNG

Edited by Caseynotes
spelling lol
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • General Statistics

    • Total Topics
      5,109
    • Total Posts
      20,463
    • Total Members
      21,802

    Newest Member
    shaun_gribben
    Joined 08/21/2018 02:55 PM
  • Handpicked content from IG Community

    • London's house prices - EMEA brief 21 Aug
      Asian stocks generally up on hopes trade tensions may ease, with opes of a China - US trade resolution pushing up copper, often seen as a barometer for the economic outlook, dragging behind it miners such as BHP Billiton and Glencore. Venezuela have debased their currency taking off five zeros, along with increase minimum wage by 3000% in and effort to prop up their economy. Yesterday the world trade organisation confirmed that Turkey had lodged a trade dispute against the US. Gold gains as Trump's remarks weigh on the US dollar, whilst oil edges up on tighter US outlook and Iran sanctions. Finally, see what's going on with London house prices in the IGTV video featured video below.
      • 0 replies
    • Oil prices slip - EMEA brief 20 Aug
      Iran has stressed to OPEC over the weekend that no other member country should take up the slack for reduced oil exports in the face of Trump imposed US sanctions. Oil prices slip on concerns over slowing economic growth. Asia shares inch up with yuan ahead of Sino - US talks, whilst UK ministers are set to release their first ‘no deal’ Brexit documents on Thursday in an effort to prepare for a “worst possible” outcome. Persimmon results are expected tomorrow, with many in the sector looking to the release as a barometer for the wider housing sector and how a rising inflation rate will affect the market.
      • 0 replies
    • Over Exposed Traders, Global Taper Tantrum, Jackson Hole - DFX key themes
      There are a few undisputable and universal forces when it comes to the financial markets. One of those all-powerful winds is the concept of risk trends which is referred to by many names such as ‘risk on, risk off’ or referenced unknowingly when we blindly attribute market wide movement to animal spirits through technical cues, smart versus dumb money, panic to greed.

      Another of these truisms is the allocation of capital. While total wealth does grow and contract, it is apportioned to some market whether that is emerging market equities to US Treasuries to home mattresses. In a global market, there is also distribution to different regions according to what country or collective economy presents the best opportunities.

      And, from this parsing of investment preference; we can learn a lot about the market; but one of the most elemental solutions is the global market’s general bearing for sentiment (the risk trends referenced before). There are no easy, definitive measures for allocations across such a wide universe of markets, but there are various measures for specific areas and key ports for which to apply measure such that we come to a good understanding of the markets’ health.
        • Like
      • 0 replies
×