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Silver seems to be faring better than Gold today. I am not sure whether Silver has found support at the $15.00 level but I guess we are about to find out over the coming days and weeks.

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Well my question from my previous post has been answered in quick fashion. Silver certainly has not found support at the $15.00 level. It did not take days or week but a mere 22 hours to establish this!

Unless Gold finds a reason to drive the price upwards then I fear it will continue declining for the short term. 

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Gold needs negative news. Gold needs bearish news.

Otherwise the price action is telling the narrative of what is likely to continue happening going forwards in the short term. 

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Both Gold and Silver are giving away most of the price increases they delivered over the recent weeks and months.

In my personal opinion this indicates two things. The first is that the reasons why Gold and Silver were going up have now changed or the timescales have changed. The second is that the speculative capital involved in both has made its money and is now taking profits and shifting to other assets which it is targeting.

 

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I am going to share the current Gold chart (daily) below:

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Now as you can see from the chart above, Gold, is making new 'Lower Highs' and new 'Lower Lows'. This is bearish price action. 

Even when one looks at trend lines then it does present the potential for Gold to go down towards $1260 levels.

For me any potential 'Long' Gold trade would need to see the price action surpass the recent 'Lower High'. 

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Gold hit $1283.

For me personally there are two important price points for Gold for any potential long trade to be considered from this position.

One is the crossing of the psychological $1300 price point and staying above it. The second is crossing the previous 'Lower High' which was around $1308.12. These two price points are crucial and until they occur I would not suggest anyone entering a potential 'Long' Gold trade.

Right now around the price of $1285 from the 'daily' would represent a crossing of its 20 DMA. Short term that is also an important price point. By crossing $1300 from the 'daily' it would mean Gold crossing its 50 DMA and 100 DMA which is why I think it is an important price point because of the significance. It may also indicate the potential of a trend reversal as well. 

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Gold and Silver both having blue days today.

They are still in a recent downtrend correction mode when you look at the 'daily' chart. There could potentially still be further downside and it is not conclusive at this stage on whether further price declines will not occur.   

This type of activity will support 'Swing Traders' or those wishing to profit form volatility and price swings. 

I personally do not think Gold will see a large sharp drop. It may be gradual but there will be no panic major sell off. That is just my personal opinion as there is far too much 'RISK' lurking in the background for this to even occur. I do think there is further upside to Gold and Silver if bearish news is released in relation to major world economies such as the US in particular. 

The US Dollar price will be crucial to Gold's fortunes. 

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It seems Gold could be heading towards the late $1260's and Silver potentially down to the $14.60's.

Both have been playing out a downtrend since around middle of February 2019.

 

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Yes both Gold and Silver have rallied recently but Silver's chart 'Daily' still looks very bearish to me. Gold's chart fares only slightly better.

The drivers that will push prices up on both are 'FEAR' and the online media along with TV and print media are the ones who drive this fear.

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I stated on Saturday that fear could push prices up for both Gold and Silver and Trump has delivered via US-China trade talks. 

Gold has hit $1301.48 today. Silver is still looking rather bearish to me but it does tend to play catch up with its bigger brother. 

Gold has gone above its 20, 50, 100 and 200 DMA and therefore there is now an opportunity for a potential 'Long' Gold trade for those who wish to partake. This does come with great risks though. If US-China trade talks were to reverse into positivity then US indices could begin climbing upwards and Gold could resume and continue its downward path again. 

I include the chart below to illustrate the above.

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Though the long term trend in Gold is still in tact, shorter term, I fear there could be further downside until the upward move resumes. 

I want to highlight this by showing a chart with a trend line / resistance below.

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I now want to show the chart showing the longer term trend still in tact.

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Trump agreeing to meet the Chinese President in June has just put the brakes on Gold really breaking out to the upside. I think Gold will remain range bound to bearish until June. 

I think Gold is a more trickier trade than one may imagine. I can see some suggesting going long but I am not so sure this is the right time. I think $1300 needs to stick and Gold needs to stay above it for any long trade to be initiated and I do not mean just a few hours but Gold needs to day above $1300 for a good few days if not longer.

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Well by looking at my post above it seems Gold was not able to stay above $1300 for long. It hit $1284 overnight. 

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Gold is still trading above its Parabolic SAR so once this drop has concluded it could potentially provide a good entry point on a long trade. 

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I am also thinking this would be a good time to go long on gold, but a bit demoralized and lacking confidence at the moment.

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Let's re-evaluate after close of business today.  :D

 

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@dmedin,

Gold seems to have support at around the $1270 area. The was a hint of a double bottom so I think from a technical perspective it is important that Gold remains above $1270. I personally think it will at least until June and the next round of the cat and mouse US-China trade talks which are due to take place.

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Silver is heading for a 'Triple Bottom' if it is not careful. There is a clear 'Support Zone' which is coming up should it continue its decline as I have highlighted in the chart below.

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Gold on the other hand is too trying to go for a 'Triple Bottom' and approach the 'Support Zone' which I have highlighted in the chart below.

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Both charts are bearish at the moment and this bearish stance is support by the price action for both Gold and Silver. There may well be a long opportunity coming up in the future but right now at this moment in time I cannot see a reason to go long. 

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Now for Gold my view today (it could change on Monday) is that if Gold 'Triple Bottoms' then there is the potential for a 'Long' Gold trade. If Gold follows Silver on its downward path then this potential would be eliminated. 

So I will stick my neck out again, be brave and make some potential trading suggestions BEFORE THE EVENT. 

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 1:

Any trading execution between $1270 - $1275 to go 'Long' seems like a good entry point if it does not break $1270 that is!

I never have an exit price or target in mind. Why restrict profits? Hold the position for as long as the trend is in your favour. Only exit once the trend reverses and keep the position as long as you need to. 

Now the above trading strategy is a simple trading strategy that does not involve anything too complex or complicated and does not involve lines and arrow on charts followed by more lines and arrows!

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 2:

Go 'Long' once the 20 DMA is passed on the 'daily'. Set initial stop loss at 200 DMA. Once in profit set 'Trailing Stop' based on your risk strategy. Only exit on any confirmed trend reversal. 

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 3:

Go 'Long' once the 20, 50 and 100 DMA's (they are quite close together) are crossed. This may increase the odds and probability in your favour but reduce your return as you may miss the price action prior to these being breached. Stop loss strategy the same as above.

Potential 'Short' Trade Idea 4:

Now for those of you who are not already 'Short' on Gold then you may wish to initiate a 'Short' trade once the 200 DMA is breached on the 'daily' chart on the downside. You may wish to consider setting a stop loss around the 100 DMA point but switching to a 'Trailing Stop' once in profit. This trade is unlikely but you never know!

I have deliberately kept the trading ideas and execution very simple and tried not to make it complex at all. For those slightly more experienced traders you would set your stop losses based on your risk management strategy. You would also have a capital allocation strategy. So for example some of you would not stake more than 1% of your capital on any one trade. Your stop loss would say a have a maximum tolerance rate of between 1% - 5%. This is just an example and many traders will have different criteria. 

Now the three potential 'Long' trading ideas and the potential 'Short' trading idea I have given are just potential ideas. I am not suggesting they are right or are the best trading ideas. I am just trying to encourage others on the IG Community to actually discuss real trades and share real trading ideas. The easiest thing to do is to submit a post after post, start a new thread after thread and post links and charts after links and charts.

The real value in the IG Community is for like minded traders to share trading ideas. What could be the best entry point. How would one identify that entry point. Why should one go 'Long' over 'Short', etc. I am not worried or scared if the four ideas above work or do not work. What is important is to start the process of improving the IG Community and offering value to any readers and posters alike. That value could lead to improved decision making in executing potential trades or even considering trades that one simply did not think of. Do not let asset class be a barrier. All asset classes will have potential trading opportunities both long and short. It does not matter if it is a commodity, cryptocurrencies, stock, indices, etc.  

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Not sure what the point of this is really, @TrendFollower  has already told us that "my serious trading (the part I keep to myself - secret) 😉 is Commodities and Cryptocurrencies" .

So presumably all of the above is just dart chucking.

The real problem though is that it's not even a triple bottom pattern, a triple bottom pattern (like a double bottom) needs a reasonably symmetrical neckline. It was a double bottom but that pattern was triggered and played out, price moved up and just missed target before falling back again, the move up to 1303 completely corrupted the neckline for any triple bottom pattern.

So what you are left with is a third attempt to break support on a bearish chart and been given 3 different rather simplistic strategies to go long. Forgetting the direction I would be inclined to gather some stats on any of the above before ever actually trading them let alone encourage others to do so.

I've read the above in red and see that it's in a similar vein as the red text in the 'potential short 500' thread.

I'm glad to have helped, again.

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@Caseynotes,

There are many things that you post that I do not know what the point of them are. A dart player who is skillful will be able to precisely throw a dart on the part of the board they want to. They will be able to more times than not target a specific number or bullseye.

How accurate is your 'Dart Chucking' @Caseynotes?

I agree it is not a typical or traditional 'Triple Bottom' but if the price bounces off around the $1270 then from the 'daily' chart perspective it does have strong similarities to a triple bottom. However, one must not get worked out about whether it is or not. What is important is how effective your trading decisions are and how much profit you can maximise from a potential trade. 

If you are more intelligence, wiser, have more experience and know better then please do share a LIVE TRADE with us all on the IG Community.

 

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4 hours ago, TrendFollower said:

Now for Gold my view today (it could change on Monday) is that if Gold 'Triple Bottoms' then there is the potential for a 'Long' Gold trade. If Gold follows Silver on its downward path then this potential would be eliminated. 

So I will stick my neck out again, be brave and make some potential trading suggestions BEFORE THE EVENT. 

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 1:

Any trading execution between $1270 - $1275 to go 'Long' seems like a good entry point if it does not break $1270 that is!

I never have an exit price or target in mind. Why restrict profits? Hold the position for as long as the trend is in your favour. Only exit once the trend reverses and keep the position as long as you need to. 

Now the above trading strategy is a simple trading strategy that does not involve anything too complex or complicated and does not involve lines and arrow on charts followed by more lines and arrows!

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 2:

Go 'Long' once the 20 DMA is passed on the 'daily'. Set initial stop loss at 200 DMA. Once in profit set 'Trailing Stop' based on your risk strategy. Only exit on any confirmed trend reversal. 

Potential 'Long' Trade Idea 3:

Go 'Long' once the 20, 50 and 100 DMA's (they are quite close together) are crossed. This may increase the odds and probability in your favour but reduce your return as you may miss the price action prior to these being breached. Stop loss strategy the same as above.

Potential 'Short' Trade Idea 4:

Now for those of you who are not already 'Short' on Gold then you may wish to initiate a 'Short' trade once the 200 DMA is breached on the 'daily' chart on the downside. You may wish to consider setting a stop loss around the 100 DMA point but switching to a 'Trailing Stop' once in profit. This trade is unlikely but you never know!

I have deliberately kept the trading ideas and execution very simple and tried not to make it complex at all. For those slightly more experienced traders you would set your stop losses based on your risk management strategy. You would also have a capital allocation strategy. So for example some of you would not stake more than 1% of your capital on any one trade. Your stop loss would say a have a maximum tolerance rate of between 1% - 5%. This is just an example and many traders will have different criteria. 

Now the three potential 'Long' trading ideas and the potential 'Short' trading idea I have given are just potential ideas. I am not suggesting they are right or are the best trading ideas. I am just trying to encourage others on the IG Community to actually discuss real trades and share real trading ideas. The easiest thing to do is to submit a post after post, start a new thread after thread and post links and charts after links and charts.

The real value in the IG Community is for like minded traders to share trading ideas. What could be the best entry point. How would one identify that entry point. Why should one go 'Long' over 'Short', etc. I am not worried or scared if the four ideas above work or do not work. What is important is to start the process of improving the IG Community and offering value to any readers and posters alike. That value could lead to improved decision making in executing potential trades or even considering trades that one simply did not think of. Do not let asset class be a barrier. All asset classes will have potential trading opportunities both long and short. It does not matter if it is a commodity, cryptocurrencies, stock, indices, etc.  

@TrendFollower

I understand why people went long following the double bottom on gold, but that is not following the trend. There is a clear downtrend in gold so I would have expected a trend follower would have gone short as shown in this chart or would be looking for a short entry on any retracexauusd-d1-ig-group-limited.png

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@Foxy,

Thank you. Spot on. I totally agree that the trend is 'short' and the current trade is 'short', full stop. That is not up for debate in my opinion. However, I appreciate that lots of other traders on IG Community follow many different trading styles and philosophies and not just trend following. Just because I do does not make it right for everyone else. 

This thread is relating to potential long gold trades. So to open up a discussion I have merely 'dart chucked' a few trading suggestions. 😂🎯 Whether the darts have hit their intended spots or have gone off the board we shall find out very soon. 

The problem is that there are hardly if any trend followers who make themselves known on the IG Community so my audience for this thread are not really trend followers. Your expectation for trend followers is right. They would already be short and would only exit on any trend reversal. 

However, let me ask you a question. If the price of Gold went down to around $1270 levels and held and did not breach below then do you think that level would provide strong support for Gold and enough for a potential trend reversal?

I personally do not like setting exit targets. I notice you set $1249.00 as a target but if your short trade got to this level then what? Does your stop loss execute and you are out? If this is the case, what if the price continues going down? If in profit, I tend to switch to a trailing stop. If the Gold price goes anywhere near $1249 then for me that is a very bearish downward move for Gold in my opinion. I would be expecting stocks and crypto to be storming upwards in this same time period with RISK ON trading decisions being made. 

Thank you very much for your contribution. It is very much appreciated and for the record I agree with your post. 

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20 minutes ago, TrendFollower said:

@Foxy,

Thank you. Spot on. I totally agree that the trend is 'short' and the current trade is 'short', full stop. That is not up for debate in my opinion. However, I appreciate that lots of other traders on IG Community follow many different trading styles and philosophies and not just trend following. Just because I do does not make it right for everyone else. 

This thread is relating to potential long gold trades. So to open up a discussion I have merely 'dart chucked' a few trading suggestions. 😂🎯 Whether the darts have hit their intended spots or have gone off the board we shall find out very soon. 

The problem is that there are hardly if any trend followers who make themselves known on the IG Community so my audience for this thread are not really trend followers. Your expectation for trend followers is right. They would already be short and would only exit on any trend reversal. 

However, let me ask you a question. If the price of Gold went down to around $1270 levels and held and did not breach below then do you think that level would provide strong support for Gold and enough for a potential trend reversal?

I personally do not like setting exit targets. I notice you set $1249.00 as a target but if your short trade got to this level then what? Does your stop loss execute and you are out? If this is the case, what if the price continues going down? If in profit, I tend to switch to a trailing stop. If the Gold price goes anywhere near $1249 then for me that is a very bearish downward move for Gold in my opinion. I would be expecting stocks and crypto to be storming upwards in this same time period with RISK ON trading decisions being made. 

Thank you very much for your contribution. It is very much appreciated and for the record I agree with your post. 

The exit point set represents the bottom of the channel and a clear support level, this is how to maximise profit. There are only three potential exit points for a trend follower. 1. the stop is hit. 2. the trend is broken. 3. the channel is hit. If you wait for the trend to break you will lose around half your profit, Sell High Buy Low in a downtrend. It is also a myth that you only trade with the channel, in a clear zigzag trend you could buy the lower channel because in both trades the entry point offers very low risk. The $1249 level is not an opinion just a projected point on the channel. I have no idea how high or low Gold or Crypto or any other instrument will go, I just follow the charts.

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@Foxy,

Ok that is interesting.

I accept your premise on if you wait for the trend to break you will lose profit but my strategy is to capture the middle part of the trend. I will never buy at the bottom and never sell at the top on any long trade. Sometimes trying to exit before a trend has reversed can lead to missing out on the big moves which come later. I take your point but that is a strategy for other trading styles rather than mine.

Sometimes the 'zig zag' can occur and then boom a sharp moves is followed and exiting too early is one of the biggest mistakes traders make.

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13 minutes ago, TrendFollower said:

@Foxy,

Ok that is interesting.

I accept your premise on if you wait for the trend to break you will lose profit but my strategy is to capture the middle part of the trend. I will never buy at the bottom and never sell at the top on any long trade. Sometimes trying to exit before a trend has reversed can lead to missing out on the big moves which come later. I take your point but that is a strategy for other trading styles rather than mine.

Sometimes the 'zig zag' can occur and then boom a sharp moves is followed and exiting too early is one of the biggest mistakes traders make.

@TrendFollower

Consider what you are saying in this case and this case is typical, You don't think gold will fall to $1249 or whatever the level will be if it hits the channel but you would hold the trade just in case it had a massive drop without any notable rise first. There is a saying, "if you don't take your profit the market will" The biggest mistake you can make is leaving the market too late not to early, you will never go skint taking a good profit. 

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On 18/05/2019 at 13:17, TrendFollower said:

@Caseynotes,

There are many things that you post that I do not know what the point of them are. A dart player who is skillful will be able to precisely throw a dart on the part of the board they want to. They will be able to more times than not target a specific number or bullseye.

How accurate is your 'Dart Chucking' @Caseynotes?

I agree it is not a typical or traditional 'Triple Bottom' but if the price bounces off around the $1270 then from the 'daily' chart perspective it does have strong similarities to a triple bottom. However, one must not get worked out about whether it is or not. What is important is how effective your trading decisions are and how much profit you can maximise from a potential trade. 

If you are more intelligence, wiser, have more experience and know better then please do share a LIVE TRADE with us all on the IG Community.

 

That's the very point @TrendFollower, I don't chuck darts, I have a sound rationale for every trade and it seemed important to me that people did not take your 'tips' because they were clearly based on a complete misunderstanding of a particular chart pattern. 

I appreciate that you are desperate for someone to instruct you on how to trade given that the two trades you supposedly posted live did not perform well and lacked any research or reasoning behind them other than to just jump in and hope, or to even show any sign of any active trade management during the event. Not surprising you stopped at two really. But the fact is that these skills are not transferable, everyone has to take the time to work it out for themselves because reactions and responses will always depend on the individual and there is no rule book as to how a market will move.

As ever I continue to post things of interest which will often enlighten and may also reveal trade ideas for those open minded enough to see it.  

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@Caseynotes

You are all talk and words. Talk us through a real time live trade and let’s see your sound rationale.

You state you have sound rationale for every live trade. They are just more words. Posting the most content does not make you any more profitable or credible. 

I have stated on many posts that I am an investor first and a trader second. My main focus is investing and I have been investing for a very long time now. The two live trades I posted were just to encourage others on IG Community to share their live trades and nothing more. They were just some fun and play trades. Don’t read anything more to it or make assumptions. 

I have my own trading system and it works for me. Of course one can always improve but it suits me just fine.

Unless you can offer anything credible or with substance then what makes you better than any other trader. 

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The crucial thing @TrendFollower , as has been pointed out to you before (page 6 of the US 500 thread), is that you post trade advice that lacks even basic understanding and will cause others to lose money. You say it's because you want others to do the same because you think that will teach you how to trade but it doesn't work like that, nor is anyone else obliged to provide you with an education.

So I shall continue to 'point the way' as opposed to providing answers, as I said in the other thread you are labouring the same point in, find yourself a mentor.

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If we look at the second weekly chart the wave C of the larger wave C (from the wave B pink) is cutting a clean 1-5 pattern and looks to have just completed the 3-4 part of this.  The rally to wave 4 (blue) is in a-b-c, which you would expect of a retrace so the next bearish phase should be a final wave 5 that will mark the end of the overall bear market.  I would be looking for price to hit one of the lower channel lines but inside or on the 8000 level ideally.  Note all previous moves that did not make it to the extremes zone were not wave Cs (As or Bs) and all the 5 did.  So the conclusion to this is that all wave Cs or motives 1-5s penetrate the extremes zones of the range but As and Bs tend not to.  Also 1-5 waves tend to run hard and fast and make more extreme price tops.  The current move looks line a Wave C that would spawn a 1-5. Finally looking at the daily chart the current bearish phase looks to have put in a 1-2 (green) of that final 1-5 I am looking for.  I will be tracking this for the 3-4-5 and other signals to see if I can spot the turn.  As and when price breaks out of the upper weekly trend line resistance I think a strong bull market will be in play that could be a motive 1-5 that makes it into the extreme market top zone.  In all of the bull turns through there has been a strong short term retrace so the best strategy might be to let the turn happen and spot the initial retrace turn.  In these agri type commodities getting in on such a range extremes turn has to be the way to play it.  I will be tracking this one with interest for a while but it will require some time still to mature I think. 
    • I last posts around 2-3 weeks ago on this thread and I have seen Litecoin go down towards the lower $70's. It is currently trading at $76-77 at the time of writing this post.  Litecoin's chart looks pretty ugly. It is currently trading below its 20, 50, 100 and 200 DMA's which is very bearish.  Only really Bitcoin (significantly) and Bitcoin Cash are trading above their 200 DMA's on the 'daily.  Litecoin will need some very bullish news or a big move from Altcoins / Bitcoin otherwise it could easily fall down into the 60's.  After the halving event, it seems, Litecoin has been heavily sold. This capital may now shift to Bitcoin. That is my suspicion and assumption and the price action will confirm this. I will be interested to see if the divergence between Bitcoin and Litecoin increases. 
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