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27 minutes ago, ha05230 said:

Since this thread keeps rehashing NHS bed data,

From NHSE  

"Please note that the beds figures included in this publication are collected on a different basis (both in terms of organisations covered and definitions) to those published in the COVID-19 data section, so are not comparable.

Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result, caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years."

Earlier this thread kept iterating Sweden as a example. I wonder if the best healthcare system in the world thinks this year is just another flu 🤔 Must be why they too went into a lockdown.

First 2 paragraphs - yeah so what?

As regards Sweden I already wrote some time ago about the protests against the govt new laws and added the data that showed that nothing untoward had actually changed and the move looked political rather than health based.

Note this is just covid deaths as labelled by the faulty PCR test but serves the comparative purpose.

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Never see anyone asking the MSM for their official sources do you... 🐂🦮

No one questioning why we never hear about the R number anymore... Nor the death rate..

First was deaths.. then R number.. then rate of transmission.. and now it's some super intelligent mutant virus...

Actual scientists with integrity will support that when an entity mutates, it does so not in an advantageous manner.

 

It is abundantly clear that the majority of people feel safer when stripped of their freedoms. 🐑

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20 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Garbage, Cases > ICU > Deaths. A rise in one automatically triggers a rise in the next and so on, always, never any different.

Improved treatments as we better understand the virus, changing demographics, hospital facilities/capacity etc. WILL have an impact on the proportion of cases>ICU>Death.

I remember reading this in the FT back in October:

https://www.ft.com/content/11113534-9531-4fab-ba2c-039644134e70

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Even without a “silver bullet” drug, Dr Horwitz believes there are “dramatic” differences in our understanding of Covid-19, especially the sheer havoc it can cause across the body, from the heart to the toes. Patients can get diagnosed earlier and put on protocols based on what has been learned: when to give blood thinners, how to turn patients in a manoeuvre called “proning” — putting them on their stomach to improve oxygen intake — and when to hold off from pushing people on to ventilators too early. Heather Pierce, senior director at the Association of American Medical Colleges, says these are “major steps forward”. “We don’t have a vaccine. And we don’t have a cure for Covid. But the more we understand . . . be it using novel therapies, techniques, or supportive [care], the more we can help save lives,” she says.

 

20 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Cases started rising at the start of Dec and those numbers should, without doubt, have filtered through to ICU and on to Deaths, they haven't so there is a covid cases data problem.

Your own data source shows ICU beds occupied (dark blue column) increasing throughout December/January:

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2 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Improved treatments as we better understand the virus, changing demographics, hospital facilities/capacity etc. WILL have an impact on the proportion of cases>ICU>Death.

sure you can improve the ratios with improved treatments but the basic progression will remain. People get sick, some will go to hospital, some will go on to ICU, some will die.

 

5 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Your own data source shows ICU beds occupied (dark blue column) increasing throughout December/January:

For the 4th time, this happens at this time every year. The data for this year is in line with previous years and certainly does not reflect the explosion of new cases since the start of Dec.

This second wave is fake and we are all sitting in lockdown because of it.

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Here is a link to the vaccine passport implementation plan by the European Commission..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjzjb6rqYzuAhVSxoUKHbZ6CzUQFjAEegQIDBAB&usg=AOvVaw1ku_Ql0QgATSPWbS-X3J-l

What a coincidence it begins 2018... Just when we needed it!!!

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Convene a Coalition for Vaccination to bring together European associations of healthcare workers as well as relevant students’ associations in the field, to commit to delivering accurate information to the public, combating myths and exchanging best practice.

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Strengthen existing partnerships and collaboration with international actors and initiatives, such as the WHO and its Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization (SAGE), the European Technical Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization (ETAGE), the Global Health Security Initiative and Agenda processes (Global Health Security Initiative, Global Health Security Agenda, Unicef and financing and research initiatives like Gavi, CEPI, GloPID-R and JPIAMR (the Joint Programming Initiative on Antimicrobial Resistance).

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Counter online vaccine misinformation and develop evidence- based information tools and guidance to support Member States in responding to vaccine hesitancy, in line with the Commission Communication on tackling online disinformation.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, ha05230 said:

🤣 No one is listening so resorting to replying to your own thread and posts with a multiple accounts, how novel.

IG don't allow multiple forum accounts

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So the April spike was real and in line with previous very bad flu seasons such as 1999 and 2000.

But this latest cases spike is odd in that it's not making people sick.

111 and 999 calls are minimal and normal for this time of year as are ICU occupancy and all-cause deaths.

The 'second wave' doesn't exist, something to ponder on while you sit and watch real destruction of lives caused by lockdown. 

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1 minute ago, ha05230 said:

 

not sure your meaning but the data is there and the only plausible explanation is that this Lockdown 3 is solely due to a faulty PCR testing.

 

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Breaking News: COVID-19: 'Major incident' declared in London due to hospital pressure

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-major-incident-declared-in-london-due-to-hospital-pressure-12182329

 

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has declared a "major incident" in the capital due to rising coronavirus cases threatening to overwhelm hospitals.

City Hall said growing infection rates are "putting immense pressure on an already stretched NHS", with the number of people on mechanical ventilators up by 42% - from 640 to 908 - in the week up to 6 January.

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55 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

111 and 999 calls are minimal and normal for this time of year as are ICU occupancy and all-cause deaths.

All cause deaths have been above average since September and are heading in only one direction:

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

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10 minutes ago, Provaton said:

111 and 999 calls are minimal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/08/sadiq-khan-declares-covid-emergency-in-london

Hospital statistics show that, between 30 December and 6 January, the number of Covid patients in the capital increased by 27%, with those on ventilators rising 42%. The current number in hospital due to Covid, 7,034 people, is 35% higher than at the peak in April.

The London ambulance service is taking up to 8,000 emergency calls a day, compared with 5,500 on a normally busy day.

Speaking alongside the prime minister at a Downing Street press conference on Thursday, Simon Stevens, the chief executive of NHS England, said hospitals in London were receiving 800 Covid patients a day, the equivalent of the entire capacity of St Thomas’,one of the capital’s flagship hospitals.

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4 minutes ago, Provaton said:

All cause deaths have been above average since September and are heading in only one direction:

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

as before your chart is not all-cause deaths but excess v the 5 year average so not the same thing.

The link you posted only goes to the end of Dec.

Week 51  13,011  Week 52  11,520.

you see, 11,520 is less than 13,011.

Compare that to April which saw the highest week at over 22,000.

The explosion in cases (bigger than in April) is not matched by an explosion of ICU beds or deaths.

Covid numbers are are meaningless if derived from the faulty PCR test.

I posted the chart of national 111 and 999 calls just a day or 2 ago, was nothing remarkable and certainly nowhere near the April spike.

Have you noticed you just keep repeating the same BS all the time?

 

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1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

The link you posted only goes to the end of Dec.

Week 51  13,011  Week 52  11,520.

you see, 11,520 is less than 13,011.

From: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending25december2020

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The number of deaths registered in England and Wales was affected by the Christmas Day Bank Holiday; 11,520 deaths were registered in the week ending 25 December 2020 (Week 52), 1,491 fewer deaths than in Week 51; trends in this week's release should be interpreted with caution.

The point I was making was that there is a huge increase in excess deaths this year. This, for me anyway, is the most important statistic.

1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

The explosion in cases (bigger than in April) is not matched by an explosion of ICU beds or deaths.

As I have pointed out several times, due to improvements in treatments, demographics etc. there is bound to be a difference in how cases feed into ICU beds and deaths.

1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

Have you noticed you just keep repeating the same BS all the time?

Me? I just keep pointing out where your analysis is faulty and you just keep ignoring it!

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4 minutes ago, Provaton said:

The point I was making was that there is a huge increase in excess deaths this year. This, for me anyway, is the most important statistic.

half of which are non-covid  and actually caused by the lockdowns and subsequent denial of health care, and that's with widespread deliberate mislabelling of deaths as covid.

So a coin toss really, what caused the most deaths this year, was it a very bad flu or the UK govt?

 

Meanwhile, eminent German research scientist calls for the PCR test to be scrapped immediately.

 

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35 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

eminent German research scientist

 

I don't think I would be using him as a source of "facts":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi

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He has been criticised for his theses on the COVID-19 pandemic; according to Medical Tribune, they are considered unscientific by a majority of experts.

The German non-profit Correctiv fact-checked one of Bhakdi's YouTube videos, and found a number of problematic claims, including the claim that any COVID-19 vaccine would be "pointless", and that the virus posed no more threat than influenza. Writing for Foreign Policy, Tyson Barker (Head of DGAP's Technology & Global Affairs Program) described Bhakdi as a prominent example from a "crop of debunked but credentialed so-called experts minting conspiracy theories and undermining fact-based information".

In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views.

 

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Reading Khan's desperate plea yesterday for more money to pay for his BLM fireworks display  I mean for the sudden rush of covid patients, proved by a 42% rise in ventilator use ✔️ made me think of 2 things.

Firstly that NHS managers and their budgets have never been in such good condition simply because they just haven't been doing the same number of procedures as in a normal year thanks to the 'save the NHS' campaign.

Secondly I was reminded of all the fake news scare stories from the start of this debacle.

Do you remember in Jan they were screaming out for ventilators, must have more ventilators, buying them up from every source possible but then the ventilator issue just suddenly died. Turned out that nearly all very ill covid patients were too old to tolerate being on a ventilator (same as for flu actually).

Do you remember the Chinese cctv footage that showed covid was so sudden and deadly that people were literally collapsing dead in the street?

Do you remember the Chinese telling us that covid was so macabre it actually turned your skin black?

 

It was almost as if someone was using fake news to deliberately stoke fear.

 

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Meanwhile more countries who, unlike the UK, didn't restrict access to heath care, are added to the list of those who have had no real increase in deaths this year. So far these include Sweden, Ireland, US, Israel and Germany.

''Germany deaths; 

WK50 2020: 921989 vs WK50 2019: 915351

Deaths increased by 0.72% whilst pop increased by 0.79% ''

Sterbefälle - Fallzahlen 2016 bis 2020 - Statistisches Bundesamt (destatis.de)

 

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Bet you were wondering if this was ever going to end? The answer is of course NO.

China announced yesterday that a second city was going into lockdown. The first was about a week ago, I checked the BBC world site but could see no mention, I would have thought it was quite important news but the bbc clearly thinks best not to trouble you with it.

Meanwhile Hancock this morning says he supports the police fining 2 women for going for a walk despite the fact they weren't actually breaking any law. And also that he hoped lockdowns weren't every winter but that annual vaccinations probably would be, if he's not careful he'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist haha.

 

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Digging deeper into NHS data is fascinating stuff, did you know that in the 24 hour period of Jan 3rd 85,000 nhs staff were on sick leave 32,000 of which were covid related.

I posted this chart (fig1) a short while ago joking that someone had stolen Welch ICU beds, what happened was testing staff all at once with the faulty PCR and half had to immediately go into self isolation, hopefully management won't make that mistake again.

Here is another chart, by the PCR test currently over 20% of the pop of Liverpool has covid. Common sense should tell you that's nonsense but if not then ask any virologist. And this is the data that's driving govt lockdown policy.

By the way the Lateral Flow test currently puts the figure at 2.7%.

Do not forget that Whitty and Vallance and SAGE have known for over a decade that the PCR test can easily cause pseudo-epidemics. 

Meanwhile of course deaths caused by these rolling lockdowns continue though as many as possible are being relabelled as covid deaths.

The final chart I have posted previously but is a reminder that so far this winter is normal.

 

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Going into weapons grade insanity now ...

'NERVTAG Chair: Rules Will have to get Stricter if Current Measures Don’t Show Signs of Working in Next Two Weeks'

 

Woman 'arrested' for 'sitting on a bench' as police get tough on lockdown rules

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21 hours ago, Caseynotes said:

Woman 'arrested' for 'sitting on a bench' as police get tough on lockdown rules

Bench arrest video 'stage-managed by anti-lockdown protesters'

A video shared online apparently showing a woman being arrested in breach of lockdown for sitting on a bench was "stage-managed", police said.

Dorset Police believe the video was planned and recorded by anti-lockdown protesters during a demonstration in Bournemouth on Saturday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-55609185

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