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Navarone

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  1. 1 hour ago, Frankieburgo said:

    That's fair, I can see how people might be uncomfortable about that. I can also understand others being uncomfortable about being impacted by COVID. 

    Given this is a global pandemic that has killed millions and caused long term health issues for millions more, well I don't think it's unreasonable that a vaccine has been produced faster than any time in history. 

     

    True. But that raises another subject about choice.

  2. Not getting involved in this spat but personally I think the vaccine was /is pushed through faster than any other vaccine I can find and I do not feel comfortable about that. 

    Anyway, regards a vaccine "protecting that person from a disease". Isn't factually true. The Rabies vaccine is one example where it's very unlikely to save you from the virus on it's on its own merit.

  3. Why mandatory vaccination should not happen. We have been here before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-public-health-legacy-of-the-1976-swine-flu-outbreak
    

    "The American public can be notably skeptical of forceful government enterprises in public health, whether involving vaccine advocacy or limitations on the size of soft drinks sold in fast food chains or even information campaigns against emerging outbreaks. The events of 1976 “triggered an enduring public backlash against flu vaccination, embarrassed the federal government and cost the director of the U.S. Center for Disease Control his job.” It may have even compromised Gerald Ford’s presidential re-election as well as the government’s response to a new sexually transmitted virus that emerged only a few years later in the early ‘80s, killing young gay men and intravenous drug users. What happened in 1976 is a cautionary public health tale, the story of a vaccination quagmire that still resonates in the public psyche and in our discussions about vaccines today.

    Of the 45 million people vaccinated against the 1976 swine flu, four hundred and fifty people developed the rare syndrome Guillain-Barré."
    

    Has this been forgotten. One person died from swine flu in 1976 and is now considered a mild virus. Remember the panic in 2009.

     

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2013/03/02/has-the-swine-flu-disappeared/?sh=e57416fe204c

     

    I first wrote about this soon after the outbreak began, and we now know that hundreds of millions of people were infected, somewhere in the range 11% to 21% of the population.  That's an awful lot of sick people.  However, H1N1 turned out to be a very mild flu: many people experienced little more than a few days of sniffles, much like a common cold.  This surprising mildness of swine flu led to great confusion.  Conspiracy theorists claimed that the threat had been overblown, hyped by vaccine manufacturers and their government co-conspirators.  A wacky German lawmaker, Wolfgang Wodarg, even claimed that the swine flu vaccine caused cancer, a claim that was picked up and amplified by famed internet snake oil salesman, Joseph Mercola.

     

     

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  4. 2 hours ago, Provaton said:

    This is worth a read, from an intensive care doctor in London:

     

    It may be worth a read but if you look at bed availability, using data supplied by the NHS themselves, the argument has no standing. And IIRC the total number of beds available this year is less than previous years.

    I choose to believe published NHS data over an unproven tweet. With respect. 

  5. 1 hour ago, Caseynotes said:

    you are of course correct, many beds were removed early 2020 to comply with social distancing. I didn't add all the stats as I've found peeps don't really like being hit with too many inconvenient truths all at once.

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    So, without sounding argumentative, we now have to social distance our 'inconvenient truths'?

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    Hospital capacity has had to be organised in new ways as a result of the pandemic to treat Covid and non-Covid patients separately and safely in meeting the enhanced Infection Prevention Control measures. This results in beds and staff being deployed differently from in previous years in both emergency and elective settings within the hospital. As a result caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case.

     

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  7. On 04/12/2020 at 00:02, Caseynotes said:

    oh, currently more free beds in hospital than last winter ...

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    As I suspected. You're only telling half the story. It appears there is also a reduced number of total beds available in 2020 compared to 2019.

    So not only are there more empty beds, there is less beds to start off with. WTF?

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/

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