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Provaton

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  1. Hmmm, do I listen to @Caseynotes or the Chief Executive of NHS Providers? Maybe you're in the wrong job mate, you know better!
  2. Omicron’s greater transmissibility means hospitals will again have to treat large numbers of patients despite it apparently inducing milder symptoms than the previously dominant Delta strain, said Chris Hopson, the chief executive of NHS Providers. He told the all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus. All the evidence we have in front of us suggests that there will be a considerable impact [from Omicron] in terms of degree of hospitalisations. And the key point to grasp is irrespective in a sense of the severity of the symptoms, if you have a very large number of people who are infected with Omicron, and we know that this variant is significantly more infectious and more transmissible than Delta, it doesn’t take a particularly large percentage of people to be hospitalised before you get a large raw number of hospitalisations and that I think is the concern. We [the NHS] were already beyond full stretch before we got to winter. We’re now facing the prospect of significant numbers of hospitalisations probably starting I would think in the next week to two weeks. That is a concern because the NHS is already “beyond full stretch” even before winter has arrived properly, Hopson added.
  3. MISLEADING: Pfizer’s study states that fourteen people in the placebo group and 15 people in the vaccinated group died before January 2021. The vast majority of the deaths were unrelated to COVID-19. Only two people in the placebo group died of COVID-19 and one person in the vaccinated group died of COVID-19 pneumonia, according to additional Pfizer data obtained by The Associated Press. The rest of the deaths were due to other factors, including heart disease and heart attacks. The report states that none of the deaths were related to the vaccine. A widely shared Twitter post misrepresented the significance of the death numbers to falsely suggest those deaths meant the Pfizer’s vaccine doesn’t reduce a person’s chance of dying from the virus: “The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO. 15 patients who received the vaccine died; 14 who received placebo died,” the tweet reads. But those death figures, which include everyone in the study who died before January 2021, are irrelevant to the question of how efficient the vaccine is at preventing COVID-19 deaths. The claim made in the Twitter post “is not supportable by these data,” said Dr. David J. Cennimo, an infectious disease expert at the Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. The fact that both the vaccinated group and the control group had a similar number of deaths from causes other than COVID-19 is to be expected, Cennimo said. “To exaggerate the example for learning, the Pfizer vaccine doesn’t protect you from lightning strikes so equal numbers of people in the vaccine and the placebo control group should get hit by lightning,” Cennimo said. In fact, the tweet’s assertion that the Pfizer study aimed to measure efficacy against death is also wrong, Cennimo said. Rather, the study was designed to look at how effective the vaccine is at protecting against symptomatic illness. Since death from COVID-19 is a much rarer event than a COVID-19 infection, Cennimo said a much larger study sample is needed to answer that question. Real-world data from hundreds of millions of Pfizer vaccine doses administered in the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel, show that the vaccine is exceedingly effective at protecting against death. Cennimo said it would be concerning if the study showed a significant increase in deaths from a specific cause in the vaccinated group, as that would signal a possible adverse vaccine effect. Instead, the data showed the vaccinated deaths were distributed among a number of causes between both groups.
  4. Javid says Omicron doubling every two days Javid says Omicron is more transmissible than Delta. The growth in the UK is mirroring what happened in South Africa. He says the observed doubling time for Omicron is two days. Although there are just 4,713 confirmed cases, scientists estimate that the real number of people getting infected every day is 42 times higher, at around 200,000. He says scientists have never seen a Covid variant that can spread so quickly. ☹️
  5. Did you actually read the article? Professor Emma Duncan said: 'Vaccination remains extremely important, to help protect yourself, your family, and your community from Covid. 'However, if you do have symptoms afterwards, you should not assume that it’s just side effects of the vaccination although fortunately this was the most likely outcome.' The vaccines are saving lives: they are reducing illness, hospitalisations and deaths. As well as reducing transmission.
  6. What on earth are you talking about? The vaccines are causing a net increase in illness? Your chart is something that has being knocked up in Excel with no y axis labels, no data source etc. The latest report from UKHSA confirms the effectiveness of the vaccines: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039677/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_49.pdf
  7. ha, he's using @Littlemadame10 on Twitter...are you kidding? you post from random Twitter accounts and laugh at the FT based on official data. Most are NOT PCR false positives, I've posted numerous sources proving this to be false, you are misunderstanding the numbers. The vaccines are working by reducing serious illness and death as well are reducing transmission (note I said reducing not preventing).
  8. Yeah, let's ignore the MSM and fact-checkers, and go with @statsjamie on Twitter instead...you couldn't make it up!
  9. All the more reason to get our boosters and wear masks.
  10. The vaccine reduces the chance of ending up in hospital and dying. The vaccine reduces the rate of transmission. Quite simple really.
  11. Correct, they don't stop transmission but they do reduce transmission. "People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/#ixzz7F0bHVri0
  12. Incorrect. 64,000 people died in January 2018 in England and Wales of all causes. Public Health England estimates that across the 2017/18 flu season there were around 22,000 deaths associated with flu in England: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895233/Surveillance_Influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2019_to_2020_FINAL.pdf#page=54
  13. England & Wales deaths involving Influenza and Pneumonia were 29,516 for the WHOLE of 2018, so it can't be 50,000 just for December. Also, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, should we just ignore one cause of death as 29k people died from something else a few years ago? https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
  14. Omicron now starting to hospitalise and kill people in the UK, first confirmed UK death:
  15. Slightly misleading as the survey actually asked: "If you had the means and ability to invest your money in an asset, would you be more likely to invest in traditional stocks or cryptocurrencies". The actual figure was 7%, i.e. 7% have sold stocks or bonds to buy crypto (which to mean is surprisingly high): https://civicscience.com/investors-selling-significant-amounts-of-stock-to-buy-cryptocurrency/ What it all means though is more pain ahead when the crytpo bubble/ponzi collapses and all these investors will wish they had left their money in stocks!
  16. More misinformation: The ARR will always appear low as it depends on the event rate. “Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).” Please step back for a moment and think about what you are posting here and how if your "research" persuades just one person to not get the vaccine and they die, how would you feel then? It might seem clever and amusing to you but it's not without consequences.
  17. nah, let's not bother with the facts, theories from "experts" on Twitter are much more interesting. I'm close to giving up on this thread, I can't keep up with the cr*p posted here, I just hope not many people are reading it and getting led down the conspiracy path....
  18. I was showing cases going up (a wave) but deaths not going up i.e. the vaccines are working as intended! https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-964291665925 Posts misrepresent Pfizer data on vaccine efficacy
  19. Unfortunately it doesn't look like Omicron is mild: Severe Omicron cases in Gauteng (South Africa) hospitals are accelerating, increasing by over 25% in the last 24 hours. Patients in ICU: 139 Dec 6 177 Dec 7 (+27%) Patients currently ventilated: 41 Dec 6 51 Dec 7 (+25%) https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/
  20. Eh? So deaths dropped as cases rose because "Covid comes in waves"? You're not making much sense here @Caseynotes It's clear that vaccinations have led to a much lower case/death rate. The charts show this quite clearly. And in response to your "the hospitals are full of vaccinated people", maybe this will help:
  21. How do you explain the drop in deaths as the vaccination program accelerated? Deaths did increase as the vaccination program started, then once many of the most vunerable were vaccinated the death numbers started dropping:
  22. er, it's a cumulative chart which can only go up....and each line includes a wide range of countries with various vaccination rates, restrictions, infection rates etc. How about these 2 charts (UK vaccination program started December 2020), or do they not fit your narrative?
  23. This is simply not true: Pfizer: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna JNJ: https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-announces-that-janssens-covid-19-investigational-vaccine-candidate-prevents-severe-clinical-disease-in-pre-clinical-studies Moderna: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-publication-new-england-journal-medicine-non
  24. I didn't post any references as it is so obvious if you have watched any news/read any articles over the past few months, it's like being asked to post references proving the earth is round! Anyway, here's the first 3 I found for you, you'll obviously discredit them as pharma/Gates/Fauci/Soros/ funded/influenced: WHO: https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-effects-of-virus-variants-on-covid-19-vaccines Reuters Fact Check with references to various medical sources: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-variants-idUSL2N2NL1M2 Hopkins Medicine: "The more people who are unvaccinated and infected, the more chances there are for mutations to occur.": https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/a-new-strain-of-coronavirus-what-you-should-know You really need to take a long look at what you are posting and the consequences of it, the vaccines are saving lives.
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