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3 hours ago, dmedin said:

Scalping / short term intra-day trading is the NUMBER ONE way to lose lots of money - FAST.  Even better, keep your shorts nice and tight - giving you a 99% probability of getting taken out :D

Indeed.

Only a foolish idiot would scalp.  :P:D

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So basically there was one good opportunity to 'scalp' (or day trade, more precisely) yesterday, and the thing to do was to buy when price went well above the 20 MA and then liquidate when you got a PSAR sell signal or similar.

But the point is, there was really only one good opportunity all day long in terms of the DJIA index.  So now I guess I understand why people pay money for scanners and buy themselves half a dozen monitors.  But I still think it's stupid.  :P

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5 minutes ago, dmedin said:

So basically there was one good opportunity to 'scalp' (or day trade, more precisely) yesterday, and the thing to do was to buy when price went well above the 20 MA and then liquidate when you got a PSAR sell signal or similar.

But the point is, there was really only one good opportunity all day long in terms of the DJIA index.  So now I guess I understand why people pay money for scanners and buy themselves half a dozen monitors.  But I still think it's stupid.  :P

ah yes I see what you're saying, the Dow only went down 500 points in the morning and then back up only 800 points in the afternoon which meant there was really no hope of scalping anything really, shame. Though am confused, for someone who is always knocking technical indicators you seem hopelessly dependent on them. Your psars and ma's and rsi obos's don't matter a fig 🤓

As I repeat to deaf ears, think levels 🙄;

Dow on the London open made a move on R2 which failed so back to support, R1 failed on the way down so the pivot was next. Support found just before the pivot so next was to retest R1 then on to R2. Day sorted. 🥳

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17 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

ah yes I see what you're saying, the Dow only went down 500 points in the morning and then back up only 800 points in the afternoon which meant there was really no hope of scalping anything really, shame.

Yes in hindsight, and we're all good at that.

You need to produce real-time charts with projected lines of where you think price is going, and then compare it to what actually happens.

Anyone can draw the correct lines on a chart pattern that's already been completed and is finished.  😏

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2 minutes ago, dmedin said:

Yes in hindsight, and we're all good at that.

You need to produce real-time charts with projected lines - and then compare to the actual result.

Anyone can draw lines on a chart pattern that's already been completed and is finished.  😏

The pivots are put on just after midnight start of day, how much earlier would you need?

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4 minutes ago, dmedin said:

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great, so trading just the US hours you made several hundred points on the first move up, and then a small loss to discover price had started moving sideways into the end of day and into a BH weekend. can't see why you even have those MAs on the chart, you're clearly not using them for anything.

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21 minutes ago, AndrewS said:

I could comment on this because I saw this message in real time and had just gone short the Dow.

I made money on the big leg up, but whittled it away during the sideways and fake-down move.

It pays to be 'watching' from UK time, and have historical pivots on (as I see now). 

I'm terrible at trading 'in the moment' as I haven't prepared or thought it out properly beforehand.  But ... I'm sure there will always be days when you can sit in front of the chart and never see a good opportunity all day.  Hence scanners and all the expensive stuff people pay for.

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14 minutes ago, dmedin said:

I made money on the big leg up, but whittled it away during the sideways and fake-down move.

It pays to be 'watching' from UK time, and have historical pivots on (as I see now). 

I'm terrible at trading 'in the moment' as I haven't prepared or thought it out properly beforehand.  But ... I'm sure there will always be days when you can sit in front of the chart and never see a good opportunity all day.  Hence scanners and all the expensive stuff people pay for.

 

Well you have to have your bearings.

It is possible for two people to take opposing positions and both do well due to trade management and a few minutes can make a big difference.

The message was posted when the third green candle was forming on the Dow and S&P on the 15 min chart. I sold because of a retracement of a big bear candle on the hourly, a retracement to the 5 hour moving average, a retracement to the daily R1 pivot and a retracement towards some chart structure around 2800 on the S&P and 23850 on the Dow.

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12 minutes ago, AndrewS said:

 

 

Well you have to have your bearings.

It is possible for two people to take opposing positions and both do well due to trade management and a few minutes can make a big difference.

The message was posted when the third green candle was forming on the Dow and S&P on the 15 min chart. I sold because of a retracement of a big bear candle on the hourly, a retracement to the 5 hour moving average, a retracement to the daily R1 pivot and a retracement towards some chart structure around 2800 on the S&P and 23850 on the Dow.

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Yes, that's interesting.  The pertinent signal for me is the bounce off the blue MA, not the bounce off the orange one.  It was clearly only profitable to be long that afternoon (not day).  In hindsight :D

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8 minutes ago, dmedin said:

 

 

Yes, that's interesting.  The pertinent signal for me is the bounce off the blue MA, not the bounce off the orange one.  It was clearly only profitable to be long that day.  In hindsight :D

The reason I was profitable going short was because I had closed all my shorts at the blue 20 hour MA.

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Analysts at BofA Global Research said in a note last week that it would be “unprecedented” if the S&P 500 “failed to re-test or even fall below” its low on March 23, based on an analysis of past bear markets during recessions. Similar bear markets have lasted an average of around 11 months, their research showed.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-bottom-analysis/the-choice-facing-investors-buy-the-bounce-or-bet-on-a-bottom-idUKKCN21U0F4

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17 minutes ago, dmedin said:

can't believe anyone is expecting anything other than poor data for the foreseeable future, the key metric at the mo is whether the lockdown will be lifted sooner rather later than currently expected and will it be partially lifted or in full.

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