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16 hours ago, Provaton said:

Omicron now starting to hospitalise and kill people in the UK, first confirmed UK death:

 

The person may have died WITH omicron but no indication as to what the person actually died OF?

 

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With new documentation being drawn up with spaces for 6 boosters you must know by now this will never end unless people just stop complying.

 

Politics For All @PoliticsForAlI

''Sajid Javid says vaccine passport will not be valid unless people have had two jabs and a booster, rather than just two jabs, "once all adults have had a reasonable chance to get their booster jab".

 

 

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10 hours ago, Caseynotes said:

That ONS data is false (and not for the first time), don't know about Dec 2018 but see below for January 2018 (64,000 deaths)

Incorrect.

64,000 people died in January 2018 in England and Wales of all causes.

Public Health England estimates that across the 2017/18 flu season there were around 22,000 deaths associated with flu in England:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895233/Surveillance_Influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2019_to_2020_FINAL.pdf#page=54

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6 minutes ago, Provaton said:

64,000 people died in January 2018 in England and Wales of all causes.

Public Health England estimates that across the 2017/18 flu season there were around 22,000 deaths associated with flu in England:

haha so not flu and pneumonia now, just flu. It is obvious what the ONS have done, their job is to answer  specific questions not keep a running tab though for some stats they do. Someone has asked a specific question (flu + pnuemonia for 3 specific years) and a researcher has turned up with stats that clearly don't fit what was actually happening at the time.

There was a flu pandemic in 2017/18. Simple. 2018/19 was a mild year with far fewer deaths which lead to 2019/20 having more than average.

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''The more tests we do, the more false positives we will find, and the more contacts end up being tested. This leads to more new tests and more apparent cases. We urgently need to get out of this cycle.''

Data Update for 13th December 2021 - Inform Scotland

 

''85% of over 60 year olds have had the booster. A mass drive to vaccinate younger people will have little to no impact on deaths. They do not stop transmission, old ill people will still die with / from.

datatosee.com @dontbetyet

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2 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

They do not stop transmission,

Correct, they don't stop transmission but they do reduce transmission.

"People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/#ixzz7F0bHVri0

 

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4 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Correct, they don't stop transmission but they do reduce transmission.

Utter nonsense as per the ton of data already posted here, the vaccines do not reduces transmissions or hospitalisations or deaths by the latter variants. Can only be made to look so if you include historic data from Alpha which itself died out months ago.

 

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Meanwhile,

Breaking911 @Breaking911

CDC: 80% of Omicron cases found in the fully vaccinated, a third of them had received a booster dose Symptoms are mild in both the unvaccinated and vaccinated - Reuters 

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Francis Hoar @Francis_Hoar  24m

Any sensible gov’t would be celebrating its spread and reviewing the delivery of a programme that appears to do nothing to reduce its transmission. Now not only S African doctors but the CDC can ask ‘why do you not believe us?’ But that would not help promoting digital ID.

 

WOW, what a coincidence 🤪 ;

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17 hours ago, Provaton said:

Omicron now starting to hospitalise and kill people in the UK, first confirmed UK death:

 

Hi @Provaton

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LONDON — U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson confirmed Monday that at least one patient infected with the new omicron variant of Covid-19 has died in the country.

“Sadly yes, omicron is producing hospitalizations and sadly at least one patient has been confirmed to have died with omicron,” Johnson told reporters on a visit to a vaccination clinic near Paddington, London, according to Sky News.

 

“So I think the idea that this is somehow a milder version of the virus, I think that’s something we need to set on one side and just recognize the sheer pace at which it accelerates through the population. So the best thing we can do is all get our boosters,” he said.

It’s the first publicly confirmed death globally from the new variant.

Earlier on Monday, U.K. Health Secretary Sajid Javid told the BBC that 10 people were currently in hospital after being infected with the omicron variant. Javid said omicron was spreading at a “phenomenal rate” and cases were doubling every few days.

It comes after a study announced by the University of Oxford on Monday found that two doses of either the Oxford-AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine were substantially less effective at warding off omicron compared to previous variants of the coronavirus.

Full story: CNBC

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Lockdown planned for Jan 5th?

 

Laurence Fox   @LozzaFox

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I am told by a very reliable source that the UK will go onto lockdown again on January 5th. This mass delusion is being encouraged and provoked by the regime to force us into compliance through lies and propaganda.

 

Vax and kids;

 

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MSM keep pumping out the fake news. As reported here this has been going on for the last few weeks and even biased factcheckers admit the real figure is around 35% unvaxxed (not ''almost all'').

 

Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie

Channel 4 News - "What about those who haven't had a vaccination at all. With Covid patients in intensive care now almost all unvaccinated"

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22 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

I am told by a very reliable source that the UK will go onto lockdown again on January 5th. This mass delusion is being encouraged and provoked by the regime to force us into compliance through lies and propaganda.

All the more reason to get our boosters and wear masks.

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2 minutes ago, Provaton said:

All the more reason to get our boosters and wear masks.

haha, the data is clear, the vaccines don't work anymore (reminder, they only gave a 1% risk reduction in the first place) and cloth masks can't stop an airborne virus.

Keep repeating what didn't work before.

Only natural immunity can work against highly mutable viruses. Protect the vulnerable and allow those at low risk of harm to gain natural herd immunity for everyone.

 137 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted ⋆ Brownstone Institute

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2 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Yeah, let's ignore the MSM and fact-checkers, and go with @statsjamie on Twitter instead...you couldn't make it up!

err, the factcheckers are saying it's only 35% unvaxxed in ICU not the 90% MSM have claimed a dozen times in the last 2 weeks, I've posted many examples.

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All this for a virus which is only as deadly as the common flu??

Countries are stock pilling vaccine doses for a continuous vaccination programme, Australia has so far bought enough for 14 shots per person.

Each shot adds vaccine pressure to encourage the virus to evolve at an ever increasing rate while depleting the natural immune system's own antibody production.

This idiocy is going to have very serious consequences if it's not stopped immediately.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Provaton said:

 

ha, using the FT again.

The cases number is irrelevant as most are PCR false positives anyway and so the total is driven by testing frequency.

That the natural evolution of a virus is to become more transmissible and less severe has been known for a long time.

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4 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

ha, using the FT again.

ha, he's using @Littlemadame10 on Twitter...are you kidding? you post from random Twitter accounts and laugh at the FT based on official data.

8 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

The cases number is irrelevant as most are PCR false positives anyway and so the total is driven by testing frequency.

Most are NOT PCR false positives, I've posted numerous sources proving this to be false, you are misunderstanding the numbers.

The vaccines are working by reducing serious illness and death as well are reducing transmission (note I said reducing not preventing).

 

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25 minutes ago, Provaton said:

ha, he's using @Littlemadame10 on Twitter...are you kidding? you post from random Twitter accounts and laugh at the FT based on official data.

Most are NOT PCR false positives, I've posted numerous sources proving this to be false, you are misunderstanding the numbers.

The vaccines are working by reducing serious illness and death as well are reducing transmission (note I said reducing not preventing).

 

The messenger must be shot if the message is unpalatable, of course.

The PCR produces mostly false positives because it is being run at 40+ cycles and so is only picking up old dead viral fragments caused by a properly working  natural immune system.

The vaccine efficacy has turned NEGATIVE, so not reducing illness at all but is causing it for most age groups.

 

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8 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

The vaccine efficacy has turned NEGATIVE, so not reducing illness at all but is causing it for most age groups.

What on earth are you talking about? The vaccines are causing a net increase in illness?

Your chart is something that has being knocked up in Excel with no y axis labels, no data source etc.

The latest report from UKHSA confirms the effectiveness of the vaccines: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039677/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_49.pdf

 

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Now we are getting closer to the truth;

''Famous leftist wants (lockdown) every year forever. Why? Because lockdowns are the perfect manifestation of left-wing political thought. It is the very nirvana that socialism has always sought to attain - permanent enslavement in service of the state.''

Alexander McCarron @alexmaccaroon

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Provaton said:

What on earth are you talking about? The vaccines are causing a net increase in illness?

Oh what a surprise, the vaccines are causing illness ...

''They are now saying vaccine side effects and "Covid" have the same symptoms!!!'' Truth&Freedom4 @Truth_Freedom3

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OH  👀👀👀👀👀,

Dr. Fauci opens up the possibility that the COVID-19 vaccine could be making people more likely to be infected by the virus.  

"This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse."

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Oh what a surprise, the vaccines are causing illness ...

''They are now saying vaccine side effects and "Covid" have the same symptoms!!!''

Did you actually read the article?

Professor Emma Duncan said: 'Vaccination remains extremely important, to help protect yourself, your family, and your community from Covid.

'However, if you do have symptoms afterwards, you should not assume that it’s just side effects of the vaccination although fortunately this was the most likely outcome.'

The vaccines are saving lives: they are reducing illness, hospitalisations and deaths. As well as reducing transmission.

 

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Additional data from Pfizer's clinical trial of its oral Covid-19 antiviral drug confirm the treatment's high level of effectiveness, the company said in a news release Tuesday.

In the final analysis of its Phase 2/3 clinical trial, the antiviral, called Paxlovid, was found to be 89 percent effective at preventing high-risk people from being hospitalized or dying from Covid, the company said.

Full story: nbcnews

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