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2 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Nobody has ever said this, they REDUCE the risk!

 

The key word here is "most", he didn't say "all".

I repeat: the vaccines reduce the risk of serious illness and death.

The original Pfizer data showed an 'Absolute Risk Reduction' of just 1% over placebo. Next to nothing. Since delta they can't even claim that

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16 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

The original Pfizer data showed an 'Absolute Risk Reduction' of just 1% over placebo. Next to nothing. Since delta they can't even claim that

Your confusing "Absolute" with "Relative" Risk Reduction:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA

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“Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).”

 

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38 minutes ago, Provaton said:

Your confusing "Absolute" with "Relative" Risk Reduction:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA

 

haha, Reuters factchecker now is it.

 

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Presumably that's why you've not seen the decline of vax efficacy down to zero, or that those vaccinated against covid make up 70% of the patients hospitalised with  err ... covid.

 

Actually RRR really IS deceiving.

If, as in the trials (40,000 for Pfizer), just 1 person less dies in the vaxxed group than the placebo group then (depending on the other numbers) you can shout 'look, the vax has a 95% risk reduction' when in absolute terms it's really only 1% (ie, next to nothing).

 

(from previously posted video showing full trial data)

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26 minutes ago, andysinclair said:

This is a good visualization:

See the problem with just making up a graphic with no data or data source to back it up means it's just someone's view of what might be.

Some people would wonder though why people like Fauci are admitting there is increasing evidence that there is now (especially since delta) no difference of risk between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed for infections, transmissions, hospitalisations and deaths.

Again, that would coincide with vaccine efficacy now being measured at ZERO. 

 

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UK Data Shows No All-Cause Mortality Benefit for COVID-19 Vaccines - by Mathew Crawford - Rounding the Earth Newsletter (substack.com)

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32 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

See the problem with just making up a graphic with no data or data source to back it up means it's just someone's view of what might be.

 

It's illustrative to show that even with an effective vaccine you can still have lots of people in ICU:

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It’s about making a fair comparison. People who wear seat belts can still die in a car collision. People who use condoms can still get STIs. People who eat healthy can still have high cholesterol. But we know these things reduce the chances of dying in a car crash, of getting an STI, and having high cholesterol, so we adjust our choices.

 

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Lot happening recently.

We found Prof. Pollard, who works for a drug company, was lying about hospitals mostly full of unvaccinated covid patients while the vaxxed have mostly mild symptoms. Exactly the opposite is true and that the vaxxed can have more than just mild symptoms is why so many are in hospital. 

The miserly 1% reduced risk the vaccines provide over a placebo in the drug company trials was when Alpha was the dominant strain, but now the vax resistant Delta is dominant recent studies from the UK and Israel are showing the risk reduction of cases, transmission, hospitalisation and death to be zero.

Using the fraudulent PCR test to diagnose covid with it's 80%+ false positive rate it's simple to increase public fear by ramping up covid case numbers simply by ramping up the test numbers.

Reminder that a parliamentary question asked by an MP received the answer that the UK covid infection fatality rate was basically the same as for the common flu. Reminder too that the adverse reaction numbers to these experimental gene therapy shots is horrendous.

The cloned spike proteins in the jabs are causing systemic (whole body) micro clotting which in-turn may lead to myocarditis, pericarditis and larger brain, heart and lung clots.

Govts have dropped the pretence of 'following the science' agenda for the new, equally fake '100% vaxxed = 0% Covid' agenda.

New Zealand announced it would start to hunt down the unvaxxed. Germany and Austria plan a universal vax mandate while Australia is rounding up those with a positive test, and all their contacts, and carting them off to interment camps.

Zero covid is not a goal - it's an excuse, covid is the key to the real goal which is 100% vaxxed = 100% vax passports which is the gateway to 100% digital IDs.

Digital IDs with 5G AI and linked to a person's bank account will give govts a level of control over the individual unimagined just a few years ago and not a single politician of any persuasion seems able to take their eyes off that prize. 

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17 hours ago, andysinclair said:

It's illustrative to show that even with an effective vaccine you can still have lots of people in ICU:

 

yes, that's known and why the data posted such as is given by the ONS and PHE is given as a rate per 100,000 rather than just whole numbers.

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Great news, US 85 years old and over see a 10% drop in excess deaths this year compared to last, - tough luck for the 25 to 84s though.

What on earth is causing all these excess deaths 🤔🤔, it's not covid.

What's been introduced this year that could possibly explain it ? 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️

 

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AND;

''... and 146K to 187K vaccine-associated US deaths between February and August, 2021. Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young (<18, US; <15, Europe). Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias. ...''

 

(PDF) COVID vaccination and age-stratified all-cause mortality risk (researchgate.net)

 

 

 

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Oh dear, can no one explain all these excess deaths ?

MSM say that new borns having heart attacks and strokes is completely normal and that sportsmen collapsing on the pitch is completely normal and healthy young people who 'die suddenly' is completely normal  ... but I'm not so sure 🤔🤔🤔

Drs and scientists on social media who have suggestions suddenly find their accounts suspended so that's no help.

Someone must have a clue surely !!!???

 

Meanwhile,

''As the psychosis wanes, courts will do what they should have done in the first place. Better late than never, but the cost has been extreme and we need to rip down and rebuild public health and many other institutions.''  Nick Hudson @NickHudsonCT

''A devastating decision from Missouri declaring all coercive Covid measures to be illegal.''

619d5946b9df6.pdf.pdf (townnews.com)

 

“The reality is that Covid represents little danger to the vast majority of people under the age of 60, yet our whole society has been upended by an exaggerated response.” DR JOHN LEE: The effects of lockdowns are catastrophic.''

DR JOHN LEE: My darkest predictions have come true... the effects of lockdowns are catastrophic | Daily Mail Online

 

 

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A conundrum for the double jabbed:  

Covid coronavirus will be with us in some form or another forever after.  

The double jabbed now have the worst of both situations.  

They accept the 3rd jab, and they then have to accept a potential lifetime of boosters.  

They don’t accept the 3rd, and they are simply as unjabbed as the actual unjabbed, but they get to trial the long term side effects.  

But then they do join the unjabbed and enjoy the benefit of lasting natural immunity post infection.  

 

Switzerland just extended the period where post infection immunity is solid proof of immunity from 6 months to one year. They recognise the obvious fact that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than that provided by vaccines.

As was warned from the start by many experts, the emphasis should have been on protecting and treating the vulnerable not the population as a whole. Most of the population were never at any real serious risk from covid and we would have herd immunity by now if it weren't for the mass vaccination programme (FDA and CDC now admit the vaccines won't give herd immunity).

 

Meanwhile;

 People are being fired for declining a jab that won't prevent them getting something they've already had. We've lost our moral compass.  Dr Zoe Harcombe, PhD  @zoeharcombe.

 

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Oh ? Ah, then the disclaimer. Very odd.  

FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated.  

FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group. Report emphasizes that "None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination."

FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated - Israel National News

 

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''People appear to die at rates 20 percent or more above normal for weeks after receiving their second Covid vaccine dose, according to data from a huge Swedish study.''

Another major red flag about Covid vaccines and death - by Alex Berenson - Unreported Truths (substack.com)

 

 

Meanwhile in the US;

Excess deaths just in the last three months are up 111%!

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1 hour ago, Provaton said:

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

Still using Reuters ? We've already looked at Reuter's factcheckers and they simply can't be trusted can they.

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But you are right that Berenson's work was not complete which was why I posted this link on Tuesday.

 

On 23/11/2021 at 15:02, Caseynotes said:

Some people would wonder though why people like Fauci are admitting there is increasing evidence that there is now (especially since delta) no difference of risk between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed for infections, transmissions, hospitalisations and deaths.

Again, that would coincide with vaccine efficacy now being measured at ZERO. 

 

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UK Data Shows No All-Cause Mortality Benefit for COVID-19 Vaccines - by Mathew Crawford - Rounding the Earth Newsletter (substack.com)

 

Which goes into Berenson's work in detail. Shame you didn't bother to read it.

So Reuter's factcheckers saying ''This shows that, proportionally, fewer people died from COVID-19 who had been fully vaccinated''. 

VERDIT: False.

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Stocks lurch lower, bonds jump as virus variant spooks investor.

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By Tom Westbrook. 26th November 2021.

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Stocks suffered their sharpest drop in three months in Asia on Friday and oil tumbled after the detection of a new and possibly vaccine-resistant coronavirus variant sent investors scurrying toward the safety of bonds, the yen and the dollar.

Full article: investing.com

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Locked in hotels: Hong Kong's COVID-19 rules take mental toll on Cathay pilots.

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By Jamie Freed

(Reuters) -One of Asia's largest airlines, Cathay Pacific, is facing a revolt from pilots who say Hong Kong's tough quarantine rules under its zero-COVID policies are endangering their mental health, leading to rising stress and resignations.

Full article: investing.com

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The new variant Nu showing signs of vaccine resistance same as Delta, the mass vaccination programme is increasing evolutionary pressure creating new resistant strains before vaccine herd immunity can ever be reached while the vaccines themselves suppress natural immunity = vaccine ADE. We are chasing the tail now and can never catch up.

This is why vaccines have never worked on highly mutable viruses like flu. They should have known better. But then of course this was always just a fantastic whole population experiment testing a new gene therapy. 

 

Meanwhile people are starting to get very angry at having been mislead for nearly 2 years.

 

'When your "science" is based off guess work (vaccinating the young will protect older people) When it fails and young healthy people start dying then this is surely to be expected.'

 

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2 hours ago, Caseynotes said:

mass vaccination programme is increasing evolutionary pressure creating new resistant strains

What, the mass vaccination program in Africa?

You have this the wrong way round, these new variants would not be emerging if we had a global vaccination program.

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"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html

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17 minutes ago, Provaton said:

"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.

Haha more fake news by a paid off Prof and delivered by a paid off msm company.

The new variant has already been found in over 6 countries such is international travel. 

NSW Australia have 95% vaxxed and lockdown and still try to blame the unvaxxed for cases, it's laughable.

Herd immunity (vaccine or natural) is supposed to kick in at 70% but it won't in the presence of vaccine ADE which is what happened in the last trial for a coronavirus vaccine and was the reason the trial had to be stopped.

Refer back to the CDC early breakthrough studies that found outbreaks where no unvaxxed were ever present. 

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14 minutes ago, Caseynotes said:

Haha more fake news by a paid off Prof and delivered by a paid off msm company.

The scientific community consensus is that there is a higher probability of mutations occurring where you have less people vaccinated.

 

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3 minutes ago, Provaton said:

The scientific community consensus is that there is a higher probability of mutations occurring where you have less people vaccinated.

 

hahaha, you are just making this stuff up now. You mean the community that takes money from Gates and Pfizer. Read up on vaccine ADE and discover the real reason cases are rising in areas with 95%+ vaccination rates, Israel and Gibraltar for example.

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The real mystery is what they pretend vaccine passports will do anyway?

All admit the vaccines can't prevent infection or transmission, the case rate is higher in the vaxxed than the unvaxxed, and only a small minority are actually at risk of more than flu like symptoms anyway.

100% vaxxed will not change the fact that the vax doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

Those who are high risk and think the vax might prevent serious illness should get vaxxed.

Those who are not in a high risk category and think the risk is higher in the micro blood vessel clotting experimental gene therapy drug should obviously avoid it.

 

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Oh dear, you can't trust anyone these days 🤔

''The UK Statistics Authority has written to the ONS to censure it for a recent report claiming that the risk of death with Covid was "32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals".

ONS Slapped Down by UK Statistics Watchdog For Misleading Claim that Unvaccinated Have "32 Times" Risk of Covid Death – The Daily Sceptic

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